Re: [CR] Flandria on eBay

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Date: Fri, 09 Apr 2010 16:25:57 +0100
From: "Hilary Stone" <hilary.stone@blueyonder.co.uk>
To: Freek Faro <khun.freek@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [CR] Flandria on eBay


Belgian framebuolders certainly used Ishiwata tubing early on - a couple of years ago I bought quite a number of sets of Ishiwata 017 tubing which had come from a Belgian framebuilder.

But this particular seller's other bikes do not impress me - c1978/9 Colnago marked up as a 1973 Colnago Super and a late 80s Pinarello with a mish-mash of Campag kit...

However reds are notoriously difficult colour to photograph digitally so I do not think one can read anything into the colour portrayed by Ebay's very poor quality Jpegs...

Hilary Stone, Bristol, British Isles

Freek Faro wrote:
> I believe that in the mid 70s Japanese tubing was more or less widely used
> by Belgian framebuilders. I've owned a Main d'Or (mr. Kessels) in Ishiwata
> 022 Speed Gallant tubing (gotta love that name!), and Superia ('brother' and
> neighbor to Flandria) also used Japanese tubing.
> On the other hand, the colour of the Flandria in the auction definitely
> seems pink to me (or fuchsia maybe), and not the red that I would expect of
> a Flandria teambike. But I'm not an expert on Flandria.
>
> And that fluted seatpost looks exactly the same as the one on my (Belgian,
> mid 70s) Georges Pintens ...
>
> Freek Faro
> Rotterdam Netherlands
>
> 2010/4/9 Thomas Adams <thomasthomasa@yahoo.com>
>
>> Dear List:
>>
>> Here's an alleged Team Flandria bike from the 2nd half of the 70's, and
>> there are some nice parts on it. Auction ends in 20 hours.
>>
>>
>> http://ebay.com/<blah>
>>
>> ebay item # 270557733961
>>
>> Two questions come up for me, though. 1st, the lugwork is very plain
>> jane. Now Euro team frames are not renowned for fine detailing, but this
>> seems a bit much to be an acutal team frame. However, never having had a
>> good chance to examine a known genuine Flandria, could this be a team bike?
>>
>> The other question is the Ishwata tubing, another Euro anomaly. Again,
>> however, Flandria was one of the 1st teams to use Shimano, so Japanese
>> tubing isn't impossible, I suppose. But then, this is a Campag bike.
>>
>> In any event, it's an interesting bike. Be sure to check out the do it
>> yourself 1st gen Super Record flutes on the seat post.
>>
>> Tom Adams
>> Manhattan KS USA