Re: [CR] Modifying BB Cups to Fit Phil Wood BB's?

(Example: Framebuilding:Paint)

Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2010 15:31:32 -0700 (PDT)
To: Jon Spangler <>, Dale Brown <>
From: "Kim Carney" <>
Subject: Re: [CR] Modifying BB Cups to Fit Phil Wood BB's?

May take this discussion in a different direction for a moment? Which modern day Phil BB should be used for Campy cranks up to 1977? That is, those with the "large bump" on the back side of the spindle hole.


Kim Carney Davis, CA USA

> I would recommend against the non-Phil "OEM look," too.
> Besides, the Phil Wood BBs are distinctive examples of period and
> wonderfully American innovation.
> If you have an on-topic Phil BB, why hide it? You would not hide or
> disguise a Cinelli stem, would you?
> (And if your Phil BB is younger than 1983, who will know the difference?
> They all look the same
> after a few miles of riding and dirt...)
> Jon Spangler
> in Alameda, CA USA, where we're getting ready for Phil Wood's memorial
> service this Saturday,
> Message: 6
> Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2010 14:53:45 -0400
> From: Harvey Sachs <>
> Subject: Re: [CR] Modifying BB Cups to Fit Phil Wood BB's?
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> Richard Cielec wrote:
> Has anyone modified bottom bracket cups to fit Phil Woods hubs? This
> would achieve the OEM look and avoid having to hunt a serviceable
> vintage spindles. I am thinking bb cups with damaged races would be the
> donors. I suppose the process would require a mill and fly cutting.
> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> Richard, I wouldn't go that route, myself, for a couple of reasons:
> 1) The Phil tool gives such a nice purchase on his BB rings; hard to get
> that with vintage ones.
> 2) You'd want to carefully set things up so you had the right amount
> shaved off the inner end of each cup to press against the outer edge of
> the Phil cartridge bearing. Most cups are much thicker than the phil
> rings, and would be likely to interfere with the cranks.
> 3) The Phil BB is pretty invisible behind the cranks anyhow... :-)
> Your mileage may vary.
> harvey sachs
> mcLean va
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