Re: [CR] Campagnolo HiLo Lacing Pattern- Question for the Wheelbuilders.

(Example: Framebuilding)

From: "Greg Reiche" <shop@cyclart.com>
To: Sean Flores <seaneee175@gmail.com>, "classicrendezvous@bikelist.org" <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
Date: Mon, 17 May 2010 15:24:07 -0400
Thread-Topic: [CR] Campagnolo HiLo Lacing Pattern- Question for the Wheelbuilders.
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Sean,

For rim braked wheels, alternate lacing patterns on front hubs don't make for any significant functional differences except flange durability. (...unless you are counting grams. The weight difference between 3x and 0x is about the weight of one spoke, FWIW.)

I don't know what was "traditional" on Hi-lo rear hubs. From a technical standpoint, it's complicated. Basically, you have tradeoffs (you always have tradeoffs!) depending on what attribute you want to optimize. You can consider functional attributes such as strength, stiffness, durability, and weight, or non-functional ones like aesthetics and spoke availability. No doubt there are others. On such a highly-refined assembly as a racing bicycle wheel, optimizing one attribute will, to a certain extent, take away from others. That extent may or may not be acceptable to you and your builder.

I recommend the lacing pattern that best balances power transmission, stiffness, and flange and spoke elbow life by minimizing spoke wind-up under torque. That is accomplished by having the spokes leave the hub flange as close to tangent as possible, or in other words, at a 90 degree angle. (Non-drive flanges on old Campy hubs transmit a negligible amount of torque, so from a functional standpoint, they can be laced whatever pattern you wish.) The number of crosses to use on the drive side depends on flange diameter and spoke count. The three most common drillings and their respective spoke angle are as follows:

36h 4x (gives a spoke angle of 92 deg.) 32h 3x (gives 80 deg. 32h 4x gives 102 deg, but spoke heads will overlap, so not recommended.) 28h 3x (gives 90 deg.)

You may manually enter and modify any combinations at the following link: http://www.appliedthought.com/danny/Spoke/SpokeCalculator.html

Greg Reiche CyclArt Vista, CA USA

-----Original Message----- From: classicrendezvous-bounces@bikelist.org [mailto:classicrendezvous-bounces@bikelist.org] On Behalf Of Sean Flores Sent: Friday, May 14, 2010 9:56 PM To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: [CR] Campagnolo HiLo Lacing Pattern- Question for the Wheelbuilders.

I've been digging around the archives and online for pictures and information regarding HiLo lacing patterns. Have not found much, so I would like to pose the a question to some of the more experienced wheelbuilders.

So far I've seen radial front with radial non-drive and 3 cross drive. I've also seen the rear with radial drive and one leading, two trailing non drive.

I'd like to know what some of the typical lacing patterns for these were. I'd like to do something less traditional than three cross, but still have it not look out of place on a late 70's TT machine.

Thanks in advance.

Sean Flores
SF, CA
USA