Hello Rabbit,
Don't be offended. I have many quirks to pick here also, but I have a home, family, etc.. There are a few who think that the world rotates around their thumb on a string. There are others, in fact, who do have a huge resource of knowledge, which makes this website remarkable and very worthwhile. Some of the help I have received from this "CR Forum" have been so helpful to myself and others. I have actually met some very nice friendships here. There are some folks that I can not even comment on, or there will be an explosion. Most all of we have one thing in common and that is vintage cycling. There are a few who have too much time on their hands and like to make others lives difficult and the small amount who say they want something and when you find it for them, they never respond back, like it wasn't that important to them in the first place.
But........this website has to have some sort of administration or guidelines, or it will run like a muck like a chat room where one can't even ask a question and where most ignore. Then the site will be left for the few who have no time and most of the true knowledge will disappear.
If it's about a Raleigh, Frejus, Jack Taylor or a Hetchins, then let's discuss it. If it's about trying to re mold the websites rules and guidelines, administration, concept or values, maybe you have a better idea and can form your own website.(?) I have yet to find anything that comes as near to the hobby as this website/forum. If you don't like it, develop your own and maybe it will be great. If you are here to criticize, pick a fight or try and change, some will listen, but most will hit the "delete key".
The classic rendezvous works great for the vast majority of people here that are into this hobby. I am new here so I try and respect those who know more about vintage cycling than myself, which is the majority here. I am not new with vintage cycling though.
Dale, I say that this email web is really nice. There are a few who make it difficult here, but that's life. Wiggle around them and keep moving. This site has it's problems, but I don't know what to suggest, because I am new to the CR email forum.
Thanks Dale for your effort here and everyone else that make this the greatest thing where one can go and share, learn and basically have fun with vintage cycling.
Best Regards Always, John Proch La Grange, Texas
________________________________ From: "mrrabbit@mrrabbit.net" <mrrabbit@mrrabbit.net> To: FujiFish1@aol.com Cc: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Sent: Tue, June 22, 2010 12:14:43 AM Subject: Re: [CR] Was: Robert's spoke brouhaha. now: Question for Dale...
"it is precisely because you fail to use such palatable wording"
Did you read my post clearly? There have been several times where I have used such palatable wording:
As a matter of fact and literally:
"Off-Topic?"
and
"search.bikelist.org"
No color...no commentary...no description...not even another post....nothing to
interpret. Just those two suggestions...nothing more. On two separate occasions. Per Dale's request...i.e., to be a little more friendly and tone it
down.
On one, I immediately got an expletive email in private - literally right away.
Why? Because coming from simply another member - it's taken as a bone of contention by some no matter what.
But if it came from a senior member listed in the rules or as declared by Dale as an authority to be taken as a hint - folks will understand that it's not up for argument - it a hint. Adjust accordingly...
Dale is busy...often away for a day or so...
By doing this - you'll nip a lot of this in the bud up front.
Dale asked the question...what's your straight up answer?
=8-)
Robert Shackelford San Jose, CA USA
Quoting FujiFish1@aol.com:
> snip from Robert's post below:
> "I am merely making a suggestion. Dale is busy...and I of course being a
> less
> senior member with no authority achieve nothing but a flamewar - even at
> times
> when all I said was, "Off-Topic?" without any color or commentary. I
> really do
> think it would be nice to have 1-3 SENIOR members having the declared
> authority
> to simply say one of the following:
>
> 1. Off-topic?
> 2. Maybe another forum is better for this?
> 3. Please make use of various search engines beforehand including our own
> out
> of respect for the hardworking members and site owners...
>
> Coming from me - it's a point for contention. That's a fact."
>
> Robert,
> I intend to post no more publicly on the subject, in order to keep from
> offending others of more tenure, but in my opinion, it is precisely because
> you fail to use such palatable wording, that you elicit flame wars upon
> yourself. There's a saying that if you meet too many ***holes in one day,
> that
> you'd better take a look in the mirror to see who it really is. By this,
> I do not intend to call you a bad name, but E-lists are difficult to attach
>
> a smiling face to, when tone of voice cannot be heard. Indeed, Dale has
> written of this time and again, and YOU SHOULD HAVE FOUND IT IN THE
> ARCHIVES, if not on Bikeforums, etc. Temper your temper with a good dose of
> modest
> control, and your "yet another aggravating violation" posts will be much
> easier received by the bulk of us, even if they are OFF-TOPIC ... as Dale or
>
> whomever he enlists to do the after-monitoring are the only ones who should
> be sending such on-list replies. Kind regards.
>
> Ciao,
> Mark Agree
> Southfield, Michigan, USA
> ~ ~ ~
>
>
> Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2010 19:54:48 -0700
> From: mrrabbit@mrrabbit.net
> Subject: Re: [CR] Was: Robert's spoke brouhaha. now: Question for
> Dale...
> To: "Dr. Paul B. Williams" _castell5@sympatico.ca_
> (mailto:castell5@sympatico.ca)
>
> Hi guys!
>
>
> The question Dale finished with per my request was:
>
> "But taking your question to heart, I do not at all reject the idea of
> Bob
> or Jerry helping in that way. Both I consider excellent fellow and good
> friends. What say you, fellows?"
>
> So far in this new updated thread - 4 responses I've seen...no one has
> answered. Instead the old version has been brought back to life...in
> other
> words for this thread we are...
>
> ...oops...can't say that...else Dale will be inclined to say, "Help me out
> here
>
> Bob, stay still..." as he preceeds to grab a golf club. And that's a
> pretty
> big club figuratively speaking...=8-)
>
>
> Folks, I am not telling Dale and Co. how to run this server and list.
> However,
>
> we do get serious spats here and there where off-topic occurs or when
> someone
> asks a question for which the answer is right there at the tip of their
> nose -
> via search.bikelist.org no less.
>
> I am merely making a suggestion. Dale is busy...and I of course being a
> less
> senior member with no authority achieve nothing but a flamewar - even at
> times
> when all I said was, "Off-Topic?" without any color or commentary. I
> really do
>
> think it would be nice to have 1-3 SENIOR members having the declared
> authority
>
> to simply say one of the following:
>
> 1. Off-topic?
> 2. Maybe another forum is better for this?
> 3. Please make use of various search engines beforehand including our own
> out
> of respect for the hardworking members and site owners...
>
> Coming from me - it's a point for contention. That's a fact.
>
> Coming from a senior member who everyone knows has been giving that
> authority -
>
> it's a hint. Either get on-topic as Don Guilles expertly often does
> (thank you
>
> Don) or take the bandwidth and clutter to a more general forum.
>
> The last is more serious in my honest opinion. When you blow right by
> search.bikelist.org - whether intentionally or unintentionally - you are
> showing some disrespect for the site maintainers who provided that tool
> for
> you - and those who after awhile get tired of answering the most simple
> questions over and over while knowing the search tool is right there to
> begin
> with.
>
> Alot of the points I make are actually suggested or even noted in Dale's
> CR
> rules.
>
> As to Jerome and Bob, their names were suggestions - though I wouldn't
> mind
> nominating them with their okay. They are senior members...one knows one
> heck
> of alot. Don Guilles is another as he is very skilled at flipping threads
> from
>
> off-topic to on-topic.
>
> =8-)
>
> Robert Shackelford
> San Jose, CA USA
>
>
>
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