Re: [CR] It seams so unbelievable!

(Example: Production Builders:Teledyne)

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To: Mark@bulgier.net, lyonstrings@yahoo.com, classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2010 10:17:44 -0400
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Subject: Re: [CR] It seams so unbelievable!


<< I seriously doubt Reynolds made seamed 531. A simpler, more likely explanation is the frame maker substituted a seamed tube here and there (or even everywhere?), and put the 531 decal on anyway. >>

I agree, Mark. There is no question that in the bike boom, 1971-72, I worked in my first cycling job at a place called A&S Bike Shop (long gone) and we had Falcon bicycles which had full 531 tubing stickers yet seamed tubing in seat tube. That's about the only place you could look and see. We were convinced that this was due to the high demand and shoet5 supply of various frame building elements. "Situational ethics." The components ( derailleurs, rims, tires, etc., tended to vary with each bike pulled out of the box...

Dale Brown Greensboro, North Carolina USA

-----Original Message----- From: Mark Bulgier <Mark@bulgier.net> To: john strizek <lyonstrings@yahoo.com>; classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Sent: Thu, Jun 24, 2010 7:04 pm Subject: Re: [CR] It seams so unbelievable!

john strizek wrote:
> In the recent posting regarding Norris' comments about seamed
> Reynolds tubing; IMHO it is very possible. Puch/Austro-Daimler
> contracted with Sears department stores in the US as a sometimes
> bicycle supplier. It has long been rumored that the Reynolds 531
> labeled models had seamed tubing. I do not know if this was an
> error by the constructor in "decalling" or an intended
> misdirection. The result being frames labeled for a higher quality
> than actually built.

I seriously doubt Reynolds made seamed 531. A simpler, more likely explanation is the frame maker substituted a seamed tube here and there (or even everywhere?), and put the 531 decal on anyway.

I don't know the law on the subject -- it seems unethical, but it may be legal if the substitutions are kept beneath some threshold, like if the majority of the frame is the tubing proclaimed on the decal. Certainly we know quite a few '70s Motobecanes had 531 decals on the fork blades and a cheap unbutted (sleeved) non-Reynolds steering column. It was so obvious -- surely they didn't think no one would notice. Leads me to believe it must be legal, or else that there is no enforcement.

Reynolds has made seamed bike frame tubes, probably still do, but it has some other moniker, not 531. Sorry I have never paid attention to the lower-tier Reynolds products so I don't know which tube set that is.

Mark Bulgier
Seattle, WA USA