Re: [CR] Don't use those Normandy Hubs...

(Example: Framebuilders:Jack Taylor)

Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2010 12:07:02 -0400
From: "John Betmanis" <johnb@oxford.net>
To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
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Subject: Re: [CR] Don't use those Normandy Hubs...


I also have a pair of supposedly vintage hubs I bought off eBay a year or two ago where the rear one has the same bearing arrangement with respect to the flanges. My feeling is that with the narrower rear spacing back then (115 mm or 4-1/2") the flanges would be rather close together if both were located inboard of the bearings.

http://img24.imageshack.us/img24/3234/hubsy.jpg

-- John Betmanis Woodstock, Ontario Canada

On 30/06/2010 3:55 AM, kevin sayles wrote:
> Hi Peter, Harvey
>
> Whilst I can't offer any insight into Normandy hubs......maybe you might
> find a Campag 'Gran Sport' [circa 1975] hub of interest in that it
> shares the same flange configuration as the Normandy hubs in question.
>
> Like a 'piste' hub the offside bearings are 'inboard' of the flange, my
> hub is a 40 hole and mated to a MA40 clincher and was/is the intended
> wheel for the 'Le Eroica'....if I ever get my act together to ride it?
>
> Pics of the hub can be found on my flickr pages.......as is some pics of
> another Bi-laminated frame I made for a good friend who recently painted
> it himself.....not so surprising as he's a very clever chap who teaches
> vintage car restoration.......
>
> Cheers
> Kevin Sayles
> Bridgwater Somerset UK
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/kevin_sayles_bikes/3204355426/in/set-72157622838096615/
>
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Rogers" <pjrogers@rogers.com>
> To: <hmsachs@verizon.net>; <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2010 1:19 AM
> Subject: Re: [CR] Don't use those Normandy Hubs...
>
>
>> Hi Harvey,
>> Many thanks for the head-up.
>> I'll be interested if you have a later version of the same hub for sale.
>> I only just noticed how far out the left flange is before I read your
>> email, but I though nothing of it.
>> I wonder if modern, slightly thicker gauge spokes, would cope with the
>> stress.
>> Anyway, many thanks again.
>> All the best,
>> Peter Rogers
>>
>> Barrie, Ontario, Canada
>>
>>
>> From: hmsachs@verizon.net
>> Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2010 6:40 PM
>> To: pjrogers@rogers.com ; classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
>> Subject: Don't use those Normandy Hubs...
>>
>>
>> My first J.C. Higgins, dated about 1960 or '61 (Campag Gran Sport)
>> came with these hubs, and the rear has a nasty defect. In Peter's
>> picture, notice the position of the left flange. It is almost as far
>> to the left as possible. This leads to a super-dished wheel, and they
>> are incredibly efficient at popping the overstressed right side spokes.
>>
>> I suspect that this configuration was a relict from early 3- and
>> 4-speed versions, where the dish would have been less extreme. I have
>> a pair of the slightly later hubs, which look identical, but the left
>> flange is moved inboard. Of course, on that bike, the spokes don't
>> break, since it is the closest thing I have to a wall-art decoration;
>> I haven't ridden it in a couple of years.
>>
>> your mileage may vary.
>> harvey sachs
>> mcLean va
>> Peter, ask me next week if I have a spare of the slightly later ones...
>>
>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>> Peter Rogers asked about the age of some Normandy HF hubs, illustrated
>> at http://petersclassicwheels.blogspot.com/.:
>> I have a set of large flange Normandy hubs with round holes and Q/R
>> axles.
>> They differ from Normandy Luxe hubs which have elongated holes in the
>> flanges.
>> Does anyone know when these particular style of hubs were manufactured?
>> I understand that they may date back as early as the 1950's.
>> Any help will be much appreciated.