[CR] Schwinn Paramount Track frame, road fixed gear? Now: Dented top tube


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Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2010 10:40:54 -0700
From: <cgallegro@charter.net>
To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org, FujiFish1@aol.com
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Subject: [CR] Schwinn Paramount Track frame, road fixed gear? Now: Dented top tube


Hi Gang,

I had a campy deraileur hanger brazed on a 1950-60's track bike dropout and have road it as a full on 10 speed for years. Many earlier track bikes were a more relaxed geometry back then and now it works well as a tight road bike, at least for me. I wouldn't want to tour on it but it is a quick sweet light ride.

Regards
Craig
San Luis Obispo,Ca.
USA


---- FujiFish1@aol.com wrote:


> Well Dale, et al,

\r?\n> I'm going to ride it with the dent, and hold out till you get the tool.

\r?\n> Let us/me know, and I'll send the frame down to you for practice! :)

\r?\n> Sounds like a cool tool.

\r?\n>

\r?\n> A few people have responded off-list that they love riding their track

\r?\n> bikes on the road, sans brakes as is the hip thing to do. A couple people

\r?\n> said they use one brake and maybe an additional dummy lever body for hand

\r?\n> position. I'll use the Paramount track on the road, but with two brakes

\r?\n> installed, because I like the insurance in an emergency, and I prefer the

\r?\n> balanced look of front and rear calipers, along with same brake levers on both

\r?\n> sides of the bar. I use just the power of staving off to slow, but will

\r?\n> certainly use the brakes if an idiot in a car jumps in my way, since I tend to

\r?\n> go somewhat fast.

\r?\n>

\r?\n> The paint is a little blotchy on this robin's egg blue girl, but I'll post

\r?\n> pics of the road set-up when done. Thanks for all the input!

\r?\n>

\r?\n> Ciao,

\r?\n> Mark Agree

\r?\n> Southfield, Michigan, USA

\r?\n> ~ ~ ~

\r?\n>

\r?\n>

\r?\n> Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2010 16:16:53 -0400

\r?\n> From: oroboyz@aol.com

\r?\n> Subject: [CR] Was: Schwin Paramount Track frame as road fixed gear?

\r?\n> Now: Dented top tube

\r?\n> To: jameshmerz@gmail.com

\r?\n>

\r?\n> Hey Jim:

\r?\n> << I don't think this idea would work.>>

\r?\n>

\r?\n> Well, it has worked! My buddy, Jim Mincher, at Two Wheeler Dealer in

\r?\n> Wilmington NC (one of the cooler guys in our biz) had it set up in his shop...

\r?\n>

\r?\n> It brought into use because in the 1980s he had bought a Woodrup frame

\r?\n> from Ten Speed Drive Imports and it had a dent in the top tube.. The Rube

\r?\n> Goldberg device worked on that one and a number of others.

\r?\n>

\r?\n> When I saw this thread develop, I gave him a call and he said he still had

\r?\n> the apparatus, disassembled, and if I wanted it, he would send it to me!

\r?\n> So I said OK, and if he remembers to send it, I will be fiddling with it

\r?\n> this Fall.

\r?\n>

\r?\n> More news at 8!!

\r?\n>

\r?\n> Dale Brown

\r?\n> cycles de ORO, Inc.

\r?\n> 1410 Mill Street #100

\r?\n> Greensboro, North Carolina 27408 USA

\r?\n> 336-274-5959

\r?\n> http://www.cyclesdeoro.com

\r?\n> http://www.classicrendezvous.com

\r?\n> http://www.carolinacup.com

\r?\n> ?Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance you must keep moving?

\r?\n> A.Einstein

\r?\n>

\r?\n>

\r?\n>

\r?\n> -----Original Message-----

\r?\n> From: Jim Merz <jameshmerz@gmail.com>

\r?\n> To: oroboyz@aol.com

\r?\n> Cc: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org

\r?\n> Sent: Fri, Jul 23, 2010 1:32 pm

\r?\n> Subject: Re: [CR] Schwin Paramount Track frame as road fixed gear?

\r?\n>

\r?\n> I don't think this idea would work. The pressure involved would be very

\r?\n> high. I think a die would be needed on the outside of the whole top tube. If

\r?\n> any portion was not surrounded it would bulge out. It probably could be

\r?\n> done, but not worth the trouble.

\r?\n>

\r?\n> Most dents in the middle of a frame main tube can be massaged out if there

\r?\n> is no sharp crease. I used steel tube clamps that fit the tube very

\r?\n> closely, split clamps about 4" long. If you centered the clamp on the dent and

\r?\n> put the clamps in a vise with just enough pressure to allow the frame to be

\r?\n> rotated in the clamp the dent would be worked out. Of course the paint is

\r?\n> not going to be liking this, but otherwise it works pretty good.

\r?\n>

\r?\n> Jim Merz

\r?\n> Big Sur CA

\r?\n>

\r?\n>

\r?\n> On Fri, Jul 23, 2010 at 9:45 AM, <oroboyz@aol.com> wrote:

\r?\n>

\r?\n> Mark wrote:

\r?\n> I wish someone had an oil-pumped-into-the-top-tube-pop-out-dents set up,

\r?\n> that we could send these frame to...

\r?\n>

\r?\n> Dale Brown

\r?\n> cycles de ORO, Inc.

\r?\n> 1410 Mill Street #100

\r?\n> Greensboro, North Carolina 27408 USA

\r?\n> 336-274-5959

\r?\n> http://www.cyclesdeoro.com

\r?\n> http://www.classicrendezvous.com

\r?\n> http://www.carolinacup.com

\r?\n> ?Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance you must keep moving?

\r?\n> A.Einstein

\r?\n>

\r?\n>

\r?\n>

\r?\n> -----Original Message-----

\r?\n> From: FujiFish1@aol.com

\r?\n> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org

\r?\n> Sent: Fri, Jul 23, 2010 12:46 am

\r?\n> Subject: [CR] Schwin Paramount Track frame as road fixed gear?

\r?\n>

\r?\n> I recently borrowed a 1974 Paramount track bike from a local friend named

\r?\n>

\r?\n> Duane, for the Americane' festival on July 3rd, and after "the crash" on

\r?\n>

\r?\n> the velodrome (not my fault .. I swear!), I noticed a dent in the top of

\r?\n> the

\r?\n>

\r?\n> top tube, inflicted by the metal post and railings that she came to rest

\r?\n>

\r?\n> upon. After 36 years of Duane's ownership with no mechanical damage

\r?\n>

\r?\n> whatsoever, I managed to dent it within the first two hours of riding it.

\r?\n> Felt

\r?\n>

\r?\n> so bad ... that even though I couldn't afford it, I had to buy it! :)

\r?\n>

\r?\n>

\r?\n> The frame is factory drilled for front and rear brakes, and of course,

\r?\n>

\r?\n> comes with a Campagnolo Record strada headset. I'm wondering, is there

\r?\n> any

\r?\n>

\r?\n> reason that I shouldn't use the frame and some of the components as a road

\r?\n>

\r?\n> fixed gear, given the installation of flatter topped bars, stouter rimmed

\r?\n>

\r?\n> wheels, proper brakes, and clamped on water bottle cages? Thanks for any

\r?\n>

\r?\n> insight...

\r?\n>

\r?\n> Ciao,

\r?\n> Mark Agree,

\r?\n> Southfield, Michigan, USA