Re: [CR] TTs and Dawes.

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Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2010 18:36:15 +0000
From: barrie carter <>
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Subject: Re: [CR] TTs and Dawes.

Hi Niell, sorry you are wrong. Firstly, lug patterns meant little, the builder and his pro of independants successes did. Firms that made pretty lugs only appealed to the better off riders, and they were seldom the race winners. Your average club rider would buy what he could afford, but would NEVER buy a Raliegh et al. It was well known who the builders of these frames were ,and it was only the Name that was real. Im sure you must know that. Can you immagine Ray Booty riding a Record Ace straight from the shop for his RRA and other records. I dont think so. Another make that annoys me when mentioned is that of Claud Butler. Before the war he was respected. His frames were built by Holdsworths at the anerly factory after and who knows wsho built the rubbish, though Bill Hurlow, an old work mate at Condors and still a friend, built the odd ones. Whenever you say you are a bike rider, bet your life some hopefully impressive liar says"I had a Claud Butler " as if its the Open Sesame to the bike world. Its the open sesame to the junk yard and a great big zero in the impression stakes. You are right though, our TTs were far from flat and at 14 I was riding 25 miles to a 25 aand 25 home again, all on a bowl of corn flakes and on a fixed wheel. I cant even remember the name of the frame, but it wasnt a Raleigh, a Dawes, a C. Butler, a.............Barrie Carter, in a vanishing world and frightened of current accepted history, in a 299 year old house, in Roundham, Somerset Uk, Home of Stan Pike