Re: [CR] 1959 Rene Herse F&F for sale

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Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2010 09:09:40 +0100
From: "Derek Athey" <>
To: Jan Heine <>
Cc: Daniel Artley <>, Classic Rendezvous <>
Subject: Re: [CR] 1959 Rene Herse F&F for sale

Hi Jan

Well put. It just goes to prove that price isn't everything and 'beauty is in the eye of the beholder'!

Now here's something that is going to rattle a few cages...I've always maintained that the build quality of the majority of classic Hetchins is rubbish (and I've owned over 20!) compared with say, and exquisite Ephgrave No 1 Super.

Derek Athey Honiton, Devon UK

On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 12:42 AM, Jan Heine <> wrote:
> At 9:10 PM +0100 4/26/10, Derek Athey wrote:
> I echo your sentiments entirely Dan. Ray has done a superb job in taking
>> detailed photos of a superbly crafted frame. I have a Jack Taylor Super
>> Tourist cycle who frame is certainly styled on the same lines. The Taylor
>> Bros certainly emulated Rene Herse and Singer models in their own
>> constructions. But I have to say, there are details on this Herse that
>> leaves my Taylor behind.
> It isn't fair to compare a Taylor to a top-line bike like and Herse or
> Singer. The Taylor Brothers were making bikes that were very affordable. In
> the interview in Bicycle Quarterly, they explained how they saw themselves
> in competition with Raleigh and other mass-producers. (And they also
> explained how much they were influenced by the French constructeurs.)
> Taylors ride great, because they got the geometry right. The tandems had
> oversize tubing, making them stiff enough for serious riding, something few
> other builders outside France were offering. Taylors came with custom racks,
> which few other builders in that price range offered. And they were easy to
> get, without having to go to Paris or write letters in French or whatnot.
> However, at the price the Taylors were charging, you couldn't expect finely
> filed lugs and all the details that make a Rene Herse special. If you were
> willing to pay 3 times as much, you could get a bike that was finished much
> better...
> As Ken Taylor put it at the Seattle Bike Expo: "Why would you file that
> fork crown? It won't make the bike ride any better!"
> Jan Heine
> Editor
> Bicycle Quarterly
> 2116 Western Ave.
> Seattle WA 98121