Re: [CR] Modifying BB Cups to Fit Phil Wood BB's?

(Example: Framebuilders)

From: "Jon M. Crate" <Jon@FAI.US>
To: "'Robert Clair'" <>
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Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2010 17:17:49 -0400
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Subject: Re: [CR] Modifying BB Cups to Fit Phil Wood BB's?

It kind of makes sense to me Robert: If you have nice looking but internally trashed bearing cups, cut out the inside so a Phil cassette fits inside - it looks original outside and has bullet proof guts inside.

Jon M. Crate FAI Materials Testing Laboratory 825 Chance Road Marietta, Georgia 30066 Office: 770-928-1930 Fax: 770-928-9202 Cell: 770-846-9541 E-mail: JMCrate@FAI.US Web Site: http://www.FAI.US

-----Original Message----- From: [] On Behalf Of Robert Clair Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2010 3:50 PM To:;; Classic Rendezvous Subject: Re: [CR] Modifying BB Cups to Fit Phil Wood BB's?

... why in god's good graces would anyone want to do this to a phil ... to any bicycle part ... ? as orvil and wilbur wright told me once ... harvey has the "sense" ... and many others shouldn't be allowed near a wrench ... :)

robert clair
alexandria, va

----- Original Message -----
From: Harvey Sachs

<> Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2010 2:53 PM Subject: Re: [CR] Modifying BB Cups to Fit Phil Wood BB's?

> Richard Cielec wrote:
> Has anyone modified bottom bracket cups to fit Phil Woods hubs? This
> would achieve the OEM look and avoid having to hunt a serviceable vintage
> spindles. I am thinking bb cups with damaged races would be the donors. I
> suppose the process would require a mill and fly cutting.
> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> Richard, I wouldn't go that route, myself, for a couple of reasons:
> 1) The Phil tool gives such a nice purchase on his BB rings; hard to get
> that with vintage ones.
> 2) You'd want to carefully set things up so you had the right amount
> shaved off the inner end of each cup to press against the outer edge of
> the Phil cartridge bearing. Most cups are much thicker than the phil
> rings, and would be likely to interfere with the cranks.
> 3) The Phil BB is pretty invisible behind the cranks anyhow... :-)
> Your mileage may vary.
> harvey sachs
> mcLean va