Re: [CR] Brooks introduces the world's most fashionable rain cape

(Example: Framebuilders:Cecil Behringer)

Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2011 17:51:44 -0800 (PST)
From: "Nik" <uno_speedo@yahoo.com>
To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
In-Reply-To: <mailman.9407.1294796037.1396.classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
Subject: Re: [CR] Brooks introduces the world's most fashionable rain cape


Brooks was bought out in 2003 by Selle Royal of Italy.

The rain cape is certainly not a new idea, if you happen to watch the Brooks Saddles history videos (two of them I believe on YouTube) you'll see better information on products they have and haven't released dating many, many years back.

A company with significant history trying to stay afloat against the mighty Far East. I applaud them.


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   1.  American Flyers (Jack Gabus)    2. Re:  For sale: 1936 Hetchins Brilliant #63205~6th oldest       surviving Hetchins (Peter Naiman)    3. Re:  Brooks introduces the world's most fashionable rain       cape(KOF candidate) (John)    4.  Cape UP chaps! (crumpy6204@aol.com)    5. Re:  British Bike Capes (M-gineering)    6. Re:  Le Cirque du Cyclisme - Important News (Harvey Sachs)    7. Re:  WTB: Hi-E Skewers- Clarification (sean flores)    8.  Huret Multito for sale. (Thomas R)    9. Re:  How to ID a rim: 650b vs 26"? (mrrabbit@mrrabbit.net)   10. Re:  American Flyers - Rae Dawn Chong (Ken Freeman)   11.  Brooks and Fashion (John Hurley)   12.  Rae Dawn Chong on topic ?  You bet (Mark Petry)   13.  Brooks and Fashion (John Hurley)   14. Re:  Brooks introduces the world's most fashionable rain cape       (KOF    candidate) (Jeff Slotkin)   15. Re:  BSA Inch Pitch Chainring Found. Thanks to all who       replied. (scott davis)   16.  Saddle Diagram (George Hollenberg)   17. Re:  Saddle Diagram (Ken Freeman)

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Message: 1 Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2011 13:55:26 -0800 From: Jack Gabus <jgabus@gmail.com> Subject: [CR] American Flyers To: oroboyz@aol.com Cc: CR <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Message-ID:     <AANLkTinExJW4JtYmHZGEuYtdk=w1rtejGYBwxgUZakQZ@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1

That was a good movie and Alexandra Paul was hot and totally ON TOPIC!!!! -- *Jack W. Gabus 329 Poplar Street Laguna Beach, CA  92651 USA (310) 490-3784 **jgabus@gmail.com* <jgabus@gmail.com>* * *http://echelon133.blogspot.com/* http://echelon133.blogspot.com/ *Frame size: 54.5 CtC X 56 CtC *

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Message: 2 Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2011 14:08:52 -0800 (PST) From: Peter Naiman <hetchinspete1@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [CR] For sale: 1936 Hetchins Brilliant #63205~6th oldest     surviving Hetchins To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org, loudeeter@aol.com Message-ID: <618455.49268.qm@web111715.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1

Lou, ? You could say I'm a bit obsessed with Hetchins, but as opposed to collecting later more ornate Hetchins, my family of cycles is getting to the elder period. I've 6 Pre-War Hetchns not including the Brilliant including?H297 the oldest surviving. ? Pre-war are: 35 H297,?Frameset only, restored about 1940 with very rare decals. May be the oldest. 38 Anglo-Continental, 2nd oldest surviving Anglo. 38 or 39 Anglo Continental Special, Full chrome unrestored. One of only two known. 38 Tour de France at Argos for refinishing. The only Tour de France to survive. 38 Competition, one of only three surviving with cut outs in the lugs. 39 Trio, fully unrestored and original. Up until last year the only Trio known. Since then two framesets have surfaced. ? Best regards, Peter??

Peter W. Naiman Owner: Cream City Online. Registered Ebay Sales Broker/ Trading Assistant Glendale, WI USA 53217-5034 Phone: 414-429-4362 ?


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From: loudeeter@aol.com <loudeeter@aol.com> Subject: Re: [CR] For sale: 1936 Hetchins Brilliant #63205~6th oldest surviving Hetchins To: hetchinspete1@yahoo.com, classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Date: Tuesday, January 11, 2011, 3:54 PM

I think this is very cool that Peter has cornered the market on these very early Hetchins. ?Just a couple of years ago, he posted the below post, where he had the 5th oldest and 7th oldest. ?Now he comes along with the 6th oldest. ?I can understand why you have specialized in one make Peter. ?It must take quite a bit of research to stay on top of this. ? Lou Deeter, Orlando FL USA"I also possess two Pre-war Brilliants, a 1935 which is the 5th oldest surviving Hetchins on the register, and a 1936 that as of a few years ago was the 7th oldest surviving Hetchins. The "36" needs restoration but is complete and I'm interested in selling it for $2500 or B/O or will consider trade for another rare pre-war Hetchins. Jpgs will be available. I'd rather sell it outright to raise funds to restore my 1939 Hetchins Trio."

-----Original Message----- From: Peter Naiman <hetchinspete1@yahoo.com> To: classicrendezvous <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Sent: Tue, Jan 11, 2011 4:26 pm Subject: [CR] For sale: 1936 Hetchins Brilliant #63205~6th oldest surviving Hetchins

For sale: A 1936 Hetchins Brilliant frame and fork. Frame serial # 63205. I purchased it years ago with restoration in mind, but in turn sold it to a friend who started restoration but ill health stopped the progress. Now I've the frame back but a few other cycles in Britain have come my way so I'm putting the Hetchins up for sale. The frame is in primer and ready to paint, with a full chrome fork that will need refinishing. Sorry not a double plate fork crown but a typical fork crown of Hetcins in the mid-30s. When I purchased the frame about 7-8 years ago it was the 6th oldest surviving Hetchins.I will call Len Ingram to get it's current status tomorrow. ? As of a few weeks ago a totally destroyed rust bucket?Brillisnt sold for $536. To check it out click onto the URL below: ?http://ebay.com/<blah>

Based?on the price for the totally destroyed rust bucket on eBay I'm pricing this rare Brilliant at $1200 or B/O. If you think my price is high I'm open to offers. ? There are 1930s parts to go with it if wanted that I've collected, and will photo to sell aspart of a package or separately. ? Best regards, Peter ~~~~~ ?

Peter W. Naiman Owner: Cream City Online. Registered Ebay Sales Broker/ Trading Assistant Glendale, WI USA 53217-5034 Phone: 414-429-4362 ? _______________________________________________

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Message: 3 Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2011 23:12:50 +0100 From: John <jtperry330@me.com> Subject: Re: [CR] Brooks introduces the world's most fashionable rain     cape(KOF candidate) To: paccoastcycles <paccoastcycles@sbcglobal.net> Cc: Jon Spangler <jonswriter@att.net>,    Dale Brown     <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Message-ID: <BD26F4FC-2137-4801-B308-308F276BB07C@me.com> Content-Type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes
> "Chuck Hoefer wrote in reference to Mark Lawrence saying that he's  growing tired of the "new Brooks".

"I say this: Dude, it's owned by Italians! What can you expect?"

Please explain further. I've gotten allot of "information" (I've formed opinions) while living  here and would like to augment it.

thanks,

Johnny Pergolizzi Torino, Italia

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Message: 4 Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2011 17:25:08 -0500 (EST) From: crumpy6204@aol.com Subject: [CR] Cape UP chaps! To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Message-ID: <8CD7FF589AE5937-14F4-1FC84@angweb-usm004.sysops.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

Like my good friend Colin! I have many many memories of the Yellow Oil skin and plastic capes. For many years I rode every day in the week to work on my Claud from Yardley my home to the Reynolds factory in Tyesley,Brum, Several time the bloody straps broke inside the cape to hold on to. what a hand full that could make in a gale force wind. BUT they did the job! Even wearing the wool sweater in the light blue and dark blue strip (my Midland C&AC Colours), that my MUM God bless, her knitted for me, it kept almost dry . I do have on my 1953 Claud, now, a oil skin yellow cape, rolled up and strapped on the Baycliff bag just like the GOOD old days. Cheers John Crump Old&tocoldforacapeBrit,snowed in Parker,Co USA

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Message: 5 Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2011 23:31:56 +0000 From: M-gineering <info@m-gineering.nl> Subject: Re: [CR] British Bike Capes To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Message-ID: <4D2CE86C.9000707@m-gineering.nl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed

On 1/11/2011 8:43 PM, Anthony Taylor wrote:
> Colin,
>
> Great story. Instead of a sou'wester, I always wore a boy scout beret in the
> rain, because they were waterproof too. Although made of wool, you could turn
> them inside out and carry water in them! Be prepared!
>

And much safer than a cape with a hood. You turn your head to check the traffic and all you see is the inside of your garment -- mvg

Marten Gerritsen Kiel Windeweer Netherlands

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Message: 6 Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2011 18:26:30 -0500 From: Harvey Sachs <hmsachs@verizon.net> Subject: Re: [CR] Le Cirque du Cyclisme - Important News To: Wayne Bingham <veloclassique@gmail.com>,    Classic Rendezvous     <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Message-ID: <4D2CE726.70202@verizon.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed

Wayne & MJ - Like everyone else, I've been awed with the thoroughness and professionalism with which you've done Cirque the past three years, building on Dale's foundation. We can only thank you, again, and wish you every success with MPI and Velo-Classique.

Beloved Spouse and I were heavily involved in producing two Eastern Tandem Rallies ('80 and '87), comparable in size to Cirque, and have a pretty good idea of how much work it is, even when we had five couples.   I hope that those of us who live in the area will be able to provide deeper support "next time," so you two don't have to carry so much of the burden yourselves. Harvey Sachs mcLean va

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Dear friends and enthusiasts -   After 3 years of organizing the Cirque du Cyclisme here in Leesburg, MJ and I have decided that we need to take a break for 2011.  As many of you know, last year's Cirque was quite challenging for us, both organizationally and financially.  Costs increased while resources declined.  The tough economy probably also contributed to people not making the commitment to participate until the very last minute, or not being able to attend at all.  All of this added to the difficulty of organizing and financing the event.

  In addition, my acquisition and re-establishment of Mel Pinto Imports and creation of my retail shop Velo Classique has been extremely time consuming this past year, and it doesn't look like there will be much relief this Spring.

However, we are not ready to "throw in the towel" just yet.  We have some new ideas, but believe that more strategic planning is needed and there has not been the time available to do that.  It was a difficult decision, but we feel that taking a sabbatical this year will give us a chance to regroup and work on a better Cirque for 2012.

We want to sincerely thank all attendees, volunteers and supporters from the past and look forward to adopting new and different ideas in the future.  As always, we appreciate your comments, suggestions and ideas, and look forward to considering a wide range of options for the future.

  So, while we plan for 2012, Dale Brown has decided to organize a similar but different event for our same enthusiast base, but in Greensboro, North Carolina, on May 20-22, 2011. Info for that event can be accessed here (with more to come!):

http://www.classicrendezvous.com/weekend2011.htm

Thanks!

Wayne & MJ

-- Wayne Bingham - MJ Weier Velo Classique PO Box 2069 Purcellville, VA 20134 USA 540-338-8376

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Message: 7 Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2011 15:33:49 -0800 From: sean flores <seaneee175@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [CR] WTB: Hi-E Skewers- Clarification To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Message-ID:     <AANLkTimwpwT2FYQ8kq6o3Au2Dk2gY2JCwc6LGqRKvxDb@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1

I should have been more specific in my last request. I'm looking for a set of the alloy ones with the cone ends. Sorry for leaving that out and thanks to those who reminded me that two versions exist.

Thanks again.

Sean Flores SF, CA

On Tue, Jan 11, 2011 at 11:49 AM, sean flores <seaneee175@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hello all.
>
> Looking for a set of Hi-E Skewers to make a set of skewer-less hubs.
>
> Thanks all.
>
> Sean Flores
> SF, CA
> USA
>

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Message: 8 Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2011 15:44:34 -0800 From: Thomas R <thomasr_240@hotmail.com> Subject: [CR] Huret Multito for sale. To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Message-ID: <SNT120-W339E2A7FF5A0CDEAC5DA30D80F0@phx.gbl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"

For sale I have a NOS Huret Multito odometer. These odometers are a great addition to virtually any classic bike! Pictures can be found here:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/55077740@N05/sets/72157625696586030/

It has been hiding in one of my cabinets for years now, and is in perfect condition w/original instructions and unopened parts bag. The box.... well it's seen better days... but the odometer is perfect.

I'm asking $20 plus shipping, I'm PayPal-able.

Best regards,

Tom Royce in San Diego                          

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Message: 9 Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2011 08:47:59 -0700 From: mrrabbit@mrrabbit.net Subject: Re: [CR] How to ID a rim: 650b vs 26"? To: M-gineering <info@m-gineering.nl> Cc: classicrendezvous <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Message-ID: 1294760879.4d2c7baf2de9d@www.mrrabbit.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1

Find a Sutherland's catalog or borrow one, it has charts in the spoke lengths sections covering all the bead seat diameter / ERTO sizes - and their related marketing size.  I'm pretty sure there's also a page in there on how to measure

bead set / ERTO diameter...

Or grab a chart online of the same.  There are usually instruction on how to measure the actual rim in order to get the bead set or ERTO diameter.

I had to do this with a H-Plus-Son EERO a couple months back that turned out to

be a rim specifically aimed at "Terry" bikes.  It was kinda weird but it happens...

You won't be able to do exact measurements...but you'll get within a millimeter

or so of what will be the most likely spec on a given chart.

=8-)

Robert Shackelford San Jose, CA USA

Quoting M-gineering <info@m-gineering.nl>:
> On 1/11/2011 6:19 PM, Eric Elman wrote:
> > Hello List Friends,
> >
> > I have three NOS Mavic Mod E rims that have no size markings on them.  Can
> anyone advise what/where to measure (please be very specific) and the
> dimensions I should look for for in order to determine if they are 650b or
> 26"?  They are not 700c just based on size comparison to numerous other 700c
> rims I have in my stash.
> >
> > Thanks in advance,
> >
> > Eric Elman
> > Somers, CT USA
> >
>
> Start with ETRTO sizing which is logical
>
> beaddiameter for a 650B tyre  is 584mm, 650C = 571mm, 26" MTB is 559mm.
> With an inch at 25.4mm, it shouldn't be to difficult to keep them apart
>
>
> --
> mvg
>
> Marten Gerritsen
> Kiel Windeweer
> Netherlands
> _______________________________________________
>

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Message: 10 Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2011 19:08:42 -0500 From: Ken Freeman <kenfreeman096@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [CR] American Flyers - Rae Dawn Chong To: Mark Petry <mark@petry.org> Cc: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Message-ID:     <AANLkTim4HUwMqbm9+MXELHNjvqJtE8J_x6iLqACAv5=_@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1

And darn close to on-topic, if not on-topic!

On Tue, Jan 11, 2011 at 2:16 PM, Mark Petry <mark@petry.org> wrote:
> I snipped this out of the movie which is on Netflix.   A little vicarious
> screen saver treat.
>
>
>
> http://www.petry.org/pics/raebike.jpg
>
>
>
> Enjoy
>
>
>
> Mark Petry
>
> Bainbridge Island, WA
> 206 618 9642     <mailto:mark@petry.org> mark@petry.org
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
>

-- Ken Freeman Ann Arbor, MI USA

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Message: 11 Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2011 18:13:39 -0600 From: "John Hurley" <JHurley@jdabrams.com> Subject: [CR] Brooks and Fashion To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Message-ID: <249DDD9704676C49AE6169AE3D2D9F4E023926A9@Exchange-SVR> Content-Type: text/plain;    charset="us-ascii"

Jim Merz wrote:

"I rode a Brooks leather saddle on the trip from Portland to Panama. It worked, but I never wanted to use a leather saddle again. So I think of them as a fashion item in any case."

I know that nothing in this world is more subject to personal preference than bicycle saddles, but am curious how it happened that the Brooks saddle worked, but was shunned forever after.  What makes it a fashion item in your view?  What sort of saddle works best for you?

John Hurley Shivering cold in Austin, Texas, USA

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Message: 12 Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2011 16:19:19 -0800 From: "Mark Petry" <mark@petry.org> Subject: [CR] Rae Dawn Chong on topic ?  You bet To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Message-ID: <002701cbb1ee$5b8dbee0$12a93ca0$@org> Content-Type: text/plain;    charset="us-ascii"

Pretty good youtube that's totally on topic

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sA3DZ0v9Kw8

Mark Petry

Bainbridge Island, WA 206 618 9642     <mailto:mark@petry.org> mark@petry.org

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Message: 13 Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2011 18:19:56 -0600 From: "John Hurley" <JHurley@jdabrams.com> Subject: [CR] Brooks and Fashion To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Message-ID: <249DDD9704676C49AE6169AE3D2D9F4E023926AA@Exchange-SVR> Content-Type: text/plain;    charset="us-ascii"

Don't know about the rain capes, but I still say Brooks should add some really snazzy cycling gloves to their line.   

John Hurley Austin, Texas, USA

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Message: 14 Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2011 19:48:30 -0500 From: Jeff Slotkin <jeffslotkin@comcast.net> Subject: Re: [CR] Brooks introduces the world's most fashionable rain     cape    (KOF    candidate) To: Mark Lawrence <mark.lawrence@firstreadthis.com> Cc: Dale Brown <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Message-ID: <25FEDE3B-CC80-41C8-A49E-8C16E82B4E4F@comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii

If no-one there wears them, from whence comes the opinion they are un-aerodynamic?

I've used my dark-green Duxback perhaps a dozen times over the years. It can get you killed at least two ways, including the aforementioned color issue but also when you perform the newbie trick of sitting up and yanking the handlebar with a thump loop.

However, I've been surprised by how sleek it seems to the wind. There is very little additional frontal area presented by the thing, and quite a bit of "fairing" effect. At times, I've thought I might be faster with it than without it. Perhaps I just don't think clearly in the rain, in the dark, in a cape on my bike.

Anybody for coast-down testing?

Jeff Slotkin Charleston, SC

On Jan 11, 2011, at 8:54 AM, Mark Lawrence wrote:
> Hi Jon and listers,
>
> just in case anyone is planning a trip to Oxford, and was about to drop $268 on a fancy Brooks Oxford Cape so that they look the part,  I can tell you with utter confidence that no-one ever wears rain capes here.
>
> I'm sure you already know, rain capes are the aerodynamic equivalent of one of those drag parachutes they use to slow down speedway cars. 

(snip)

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Message: 15 Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2011 17:28:28 -0800 (PST) From: scott davis <francopedia@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [CR] BSA Inch Pitch Chainring Found. Thanks to all who     replied. To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Message-ID: <686257.45307.qm@web53803.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1

I got a BSA ring. ?Thanks to everyone who replied. ? Scott Davis, Twin Cities Minnesota USAsdbicyclegarage.com

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Message: 16 Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2011 20:31:06 -0500 From: George Hollenberg <ghollmd@gmail.com> Subject: [CR] Saddle Diagram To: Classic Rendezvous <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Message-ID:     <AANLkTinzbc0tEQfMTck2Q3c-16tohgftN_KzFuVBBcrN@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1

Can any Lister recommend a link with detailed a images or photos of the parts and construction of an OT leather racing saddle? Thanks for your help.

-- George

George Hollenberg MD CT, USA

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Message: 17 Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2011 20:33:52 -0500 From: Ken Freeman <kenfreeman096@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [CR] Saddle Diagram To: George Hollenberg <ghollmd@gmail.com> Cc: Classic Rendezvous <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Message-ID:     <AANLkTims07WaBA1vW0zZPpm20EVDTjM0A9NgyDwv-CT4@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1

Are you just interested in naming of the parts?

On Tue, Jan 11, 2011 at 8:31 PM, George Hollenberg <ghollmd@gmail.com>wrote:
> Can any Lister recommend a link with detailed a images or photos of the
> parts and construction of an OT leather racing saddle?
> Thanks for your help.
>
>
> --
> George
>
> George Hollenberg MD
> CT, USA
> _______________________________________________
>

-- Ken Freeman Ann Arbor, MI USA

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