Re: [CR] Classicrendezvous Digest, Vol 97, Issue 121

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From: "Todd Teachout" <thteach@sonic.net>
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Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2011 22:02:33 -0800
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Hi tom:

There was a 150 meter board track erected in Southfield in the mid 70's that disappeared mysteriously. Madison Velodrome. Before that (1972) and just before I got involved with bike racing, Detroit held a 6 Day bike race with a nice wooden board track. I have the program from the event (though I didn't go). My understanding was that this track was acquired by Cecil Behringer and turned into the outdoor board track in Minnesota. The was also a board track in Delhi Ontario that went away as did the 1976 Montreal Olympic track.

I'm not sure of the whereabouts of any of these tracks but finding them and being able to re-erect them would be a fabulous effort. It would be absurd to destroy these tracks. So hopefully all or parts of them can still be found.

Todd Teachout

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> 1. Re: Calling all Peugeot fans.. (Hugh Thornton)
> 2. Big frames ride better? Also seeking info on unused or
> available bike tracks (Tom Sanders)
> 3. Re: Big frames ride better? (Dean Kernan)
> 4. Re: Big frames ride better? (Andrew R Stewart)
> 5. Re: Big frames ride better? (paccoastcycles)
> 6. Re: 1976 NY Int Bike show pics (Bruce Gordon)
> 7. Re: 1976 NY Int Bike show pics (oroboyz@aol.com)
> 8. Re: Breakfast get together at NAHBS (Mike Short)
> 9. Comments about CR Weekend hotels (oroboyz@aol.com)
> 10. Re: Inventment cast one piece headtube and lugs (donald gillies)
> 11. Re: Breakfast get together at NAHBS (oroboyz@aol.com)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2011 12:53:05 +0000 (GMT)
> From: Hugh Thornton <hughwthornton@yahoo.co.uk>
> Subject: Re: [CR] Calling all Peugeot fans..
> To: Classic Rendezvous <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
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> Norris drew our attention to this Peugeot book about a month ago.? It sounded like a good idea to get one and I am really glad I did.? It is full of good and interesting information about the company from its beginnings and has lots of excellent photographs, to the extent that I think this book would be good value to any Peugeot fan with even very limited knowedge of the French language.
>
> Most of the earlier photographs show the factory and more utilitarian bikes and the there is a wealth of photographs showing racing bikes and riders from all eras. Many Peugeot advertisements through the years are illustrated and I find these endlessly fascinating.? Probably over half the book is dedicated to competition, which suits me well, but might not have the same appeal for others.
>
> The book does not attempt a detailed summary of all the models produced, which would probably require an encyclopedic volume all its own.? There is a partial list of the top racing models, but many are left out and it appears to refer to the production rather than team racing machines, which were often to a slightly different spec.? I even doubt the accuracy of some of the specs calling for Mavic rims when Super Champion appeared to be fitted.
>
> There is a double page of head badges/decals which should help to date machines.? It confirms my supposition that my PY10 is 1974, not 1976 as claimed by the vendor.? It is a pity that other decals are not similarly illustrated, but it is possible to deduce quite a lot from the photographs.? There are pictures of team jerseys through the years, lists of team riders for each year, with the odd mistake, and copies of postcard pictures of many of the better-known riders.
>
> I would rate this book a BUY for anyone interested in Peugeot.? It is still available from the same vendor, item #? 200566697623 , if you are interested, at 39 EUR.? Or another vendor has it at 180 !
>
> Hugh Thornton
> Cheshire, England
>
>
>
> --- On Wed, 22/12/10, Norris Lockley <nlockley73@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> From: Norris Lockley <nlockley73@gmail.com>
> Subject: [CR] Calling all Peugeot fans..
> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Date: Wednesday, 22 December, 2010, 10:44
>
> I know that there are quite a few Peugeot fans on the List, some of whom
> might wish to clue themselves up on the history of this fine old company.
>
> With such fanatics in mind, Lucien Hilger,a French author ,has published a
> reference book about Peugeot and its role in cycling
>
> A copy of hths book is being sold on French Ebay currently, with the auction
> having two days to run.
>
> The book is brand new and in its original wrapping. RSP is 48
> euros...starting price for the auction 40 euros
>
> *ITEM 200554884599*
> **
> *Norris Lockley*
> **
> *Settle UK*
> _______________________________________________
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2011 08:13:17 -0500
> From: "Tom Sanders" <tom@orderandchaos.com>
> Subject: [CR] Big frames ride better? Also seeking info on unused or
> available bike tracks
> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
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> I know it was pointed out a few years ago that some makers made some changes
> to geometry with small bikes to reduce toe/front wheel overlap. I have
> found that larger Masi bikes ride a bit better than smaller ones, but it may
> be all in my head because all other things being equal a larger bike is, for
> me, a bit more comfortable. Few things are more subjective or variable
> than how a bike rides. By the time things beside frames like tire
> variables, wheels, spokes, high or low flange rims, saddle, fit ( perhaps
> peddles and bar wrap?) and all are factored in, one really should just ride
> what they darn well like.
>
>
>
> There is some possibility that an indoor track could be built here in
> Lansing, sponsors may be available. I am thinking that I have heard
> rumors of a disassembled track stored in a warehouse somewhere. Anyone know
> of a track that might be purchased and moved to Michigan?
>
> Thanks all,
>
> Tom Sanders
>
> Lansing, MI USA
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2011 09:12:50 -0500
> From: "Dean Kernan" <dkernan@mindspring.com>
> Subject: Re: [CR] Big frames ride better?
> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Message-ID: <DBENLJHHJHIHCFKPAFLKCELLDIAA.dkernan@mindspring.com>
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>
> List (and especially framebuilders),
>
> I have a related question, and forgive my ignorance but...
>
> Was there a shift in frame-building philosopy/technique so that more recent
> large frames tend to be built with longer (and proportional) top tubes than
> they were back in the day?
>
> My original race bike from 1972 is Falcon San Remo that fits me well at 6'.
> Like a number of frames from that period, although it is fairly large
> (24/24.5 c-t-c) it has a fairly short top tube (22.5 c-t-c) which works fine
> for me, since I am more legs than arms.
>
> These proportions seem to be true of others from the period as well (as I
> have recently been reminded in an off-list exchange), ie. the larger frames
> tended to have extended seat tubes once they hit the upper end of the size
> range without a proportionate increase in TT length.
>
> Coming back to the sport, I was surprised to find more large frames that
> were proportional (often "square") so that I now ride a nominally smaller
> frame to have the same reach that I had on my original bike. Fitting on my
> orginal bike gives me the "fistful of seatpost" that was deemed correct for
> the time; fitting on my newer (~off-topic) Simonetti gives me more seatpost
> visible.
>
> [FWIW, I am indifferent to the issue of standover height since I don't stand
> over my bicycle. :>) ]
>
> The resulting loss is something that, if not a "better" ride, was certainly
> a different feeling on the bike.
>
> Cheers,
> Dean Kernan
> Pomona, New York
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2011 09:45:05 -0500
> From: "Andrew R Stewart" <onetenth@earthlink.net>
> Subject: Re: [CR] Big frames ride better?
> To: "Dean Kernan" <dkernan@mindspring.com>,
> <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Message-ID: <1FB735B946974C93ACEED2CADCD9E5AC@ARSPC>
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> reply-type=original
>
> Dean- The priorities that a large manufacturer has are different then those
> of a small/custom builder. A major one is to lower the cost of production.
> (Think of all those companies that seem to spend more on marketing then
> product...) Sharing tooling between different models or in this case, frame
> size runs, is an early cost savings area. I have heard of a number of
> companies that use the same seat tube angle, head angle and or top tube
> length between various sizes. This produces a larger frame with too short a
> top tube and, often, too little seat set back. A small frame suffers the
> opposite. With both having handling that's a compromise. AS the buying
> public gets more savvy the product designers get more detailed. And at some
> point the marketing value of specific geometry for each size out weighs the
> added cost to make the fixtures. These days with a form needed for each size
> (as often with OT carbon manufacturing) the added cost to design specific
> geometry is not really any more. Andy.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Dean Kernan" <dkernan@mindspring.com>
> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2011 9:12 AM
> Subject: Re: [CR] Big frames ride better?
>
>
>> List (and especially framebuilders),
>>
>> I have a related question, and forgive my ignorance but...
>>
>> Was there a shift in frame-building philosopy/technique so that more
>> recent
>> large frames tend to be built with longer (and proportional) top tubes
>> than
>> they were back in the day?
>>
>> My original race bike from 1972 is Falcon San Remo that fits me well at
>> 6'.
>> Like a number of frames from that period, although it is fairly large
>> (24/24.5 c-t-c) it has a fairly short top tube (22.5 c-t-c) which works
>> fine
>> for me, since I am more legs than arms.
>>
>> These proportions seem to be true of others from the period as well (as I
>> have recently been reminded in an off-list exchange), ie. the larger
>> frames
>> tended to have extended seat tubes once they hit the upper end of the size
>> range without a proportionate increase in TT length.
>>
>> Coming back to the sport, I was surprised to find more large frames that
>> were proportional (often "square") so that I now ride a nominally smaller
>> frame to have the same reach that I had on my original bike. Fitting on my
>> orginal bike gives me the "fistful of seatpost" that was deemed correct
>> for
>> the time; fitting on my newer (~off-topic) Simonetti gives me more
>> seatpost
>> visible.
>>
>> [FWIW, I am indifferent to the issue of standover height since I don't
>> stand
>> over my bicycle. :>) ]
>>
>> The resulting loss is something that, if not a "better" ride, was
>> certainly
>> a different feeling on the bike.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Dean Kernan
>> Pomona, New York
>>
>> _______________________________________________
> Andrew R Stewart
> Rochester, NY
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2011 07:11:00 -0800
> From: "paccoastcycles" <paccoastcycles@sbcglobal.net>
> Subject: Re: [CR] Big frames ride better?
> To: "Dean Kernan" <dkernan@mindspring.com>,
> <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Message-ID: <1EB09792FC494A77B7D54116387C7669@ownerd556865ac>
> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
> reply-type=original
>
> Has this subject morphed from what I wrote about someone selling his
> favorite bike because it was "too big"?
>
> To keep this subject on topic, I'll go on record by saying that Specialized
> was the first company I was aware of that made each frame with a clean slate
> design. In spite of my distaste for their recent business model, I give them
> credit for giving the industry that. It forced (or enabled?) other
> manufacturers to do the same or close to it.
>
> Also, being 5'8", I can only speak from what I've deduced with regard to my
> tall customers over the years. There have been two developements I have seen
> for tall riders. First, oversize tubing seems appropriate for most very tall
> frames. That also enables the frame to be made with a more generous top tube
> which seems proportional. Second, the tendency to put riders on smaller
> frames seems to have resulted in fewer truly good fitting tall frames (by
> this, I mean over 60cm). I think that is down to the reluctance of dealers
> to stock frames in the 63cm range.
>
> This is veering off topic so I'll invite off list discussioin with anybody
> who wishes to further discuss it. I think it is one of the true tragedies of
> the bicycle market place.
>
> Chuck Hoefer
> Pacific Coast Cycles
> Oceanside, Ca.
> ---- Original Message -----
> From: "Dean Kernan" <dkernan@mindspring.com>
> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2011 6:12 AM
> Subject: Re: [CR] Big frames ride better?
>
>
>> List (and especially framebuilders),
>>
>> I have a related question, and forgive my ignorance but...
>>
>> Was there a shift in frame-building philosopy/technique so that more
>> recent
>> large frames tend to be built with longer (and proportional) top tubes
>> than
>> they were back in the day?
>>
>> My original race bike from 1972 is Falcon San Remo that fits me well at
>> 6'.
>> Like a number of frames from that period, although it is fairly large
>> (24/24.5 c-t-c) it has a fairly short top tube (22.5 c-t-c) which works
>> fine
>> for me, since I am more legs than arms.
>>
>> These proportions seem to be true of others from the period as well (as I
>> have recently been reminded in an off-list exchange), ie. the larger
>> frames
>> tended to have extended seat tubes once they hit the upper end of the size
>> range without a proportionate increase in TT length.
>>
>> Coming back to the sport, I was surprised to find more large frames that
>> were proportional (often "square") so that I now ride a nominally smaller
>> frame to have the same reach that I had on my original bike. Fitting on my
>> orginal bike gives me the "fistful of seatpost" that was deemed correct
>> for
>> the time; fitting on my newer (~off-topic) Simonetti gives me more
>> seatpost
>> visible.
>>
>> [FWIW, I am indifferent to the issue of standover height since I don't
>> stand
>> over my bicycle. :>) ]
>>
>> The resulting loss is something that, if not a "better" ride, was
>> certainly
>> a different feeling on the bike.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Dean Kernan
>> Pomona, New York
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2011 07:41:05 -0800
> From: Bruce Gordon <bgcycles@svn.net>
> Subject: Re: [CR] 1976 NY Int Bike show pics
> To: oroboyz@aol.com
> Cc: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Message-ID: <C469DF01-884A-4360-BDD4-55824BBC1018@svn.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> Those are great pictures - the bike business was much more naive in those days. I think it was 1977 or 1978 though.
> Bruce Gordon Cycles did not start until June of 1976. The pictures of my frames on pages 3 & 4 are quite a nice trip down Memory Lane.
> I'm thinking those were from 1978.
> Regards,
> Bruce Gordon
> Bruce Gordon Cycles
> http://www.bgcycles@svn.net
> http://www.brucegordoncycles.blogspot.com
>
>
>
> On Jan 24, 2011, at 8:47 PM, oroboyz@aol.com wrote:
>
>> Thanks to Lynn Travers (!), I have whole bunch of nice big digital pictures made from slides I took at the NYC bike show from 1976-1982.
>>
>>
>> I have put up the first batch, which I THINK (not absolutely sure!) is 1976...
>>
>>
>> Many pics but includes some cool stuff by Richard Sachs, Bob Jackson, Mark Dinucci, Bruce Gordon, Confente, etc., etc.
>>
>>
>> Take a look here:
>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/oroboyz/
>>
>>
>> And remember by clicking on "Actions" you can choose "all sizes" and then see a very large version (comes in handy studying these old bikes a bit closer.)
>>
>>
>> Enjoy, enjoy.....
>>
>>
>> Dale Brown
>> Greensboro, North Carolina USA
>> http://www.classicrendezvous.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>
> Bruce Gordon
> Bruce Gordon Cycles
> http://www.bgcycles@svn.net
> http://www.brucegordoncycles.blogspot.com
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 7
> Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2011 10:51:08 -0500
> From: oroboyz@aol.com
> Subject: Re: [CR] 1976 NY Int Bike show pics
> To: bgcycles@svn.net, classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Message-ID: <8CD8ABECFDEEE15-1998-C56B@webmail-d014.sysops.aol.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
>
>
> << I'm thinking those were from 1978.
>
> Yes, probably, I wasn't sure when I took them. I sent a huge load some 600 to Lynn to scan for me. Some of the slides were marked, many not. I just knew I attended in 1976 and on.
>
>
> Is is apparent from the pics that I thought that tall awkward builder was pretty darned good.
>
>
> D
>
>
>
>
>
> Dale Brown
> cycles de ORO, Inc.
> 1410 Mill Street #100
> Greensboro, North Carolina 27408 USA
> 336-274-5959
> http://www.cyclesdeoro.com
> http://www.classicrendezvous.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bruce Gordon <bgcycles@svn.net>
> To: oroboyz@aol.com
> Cc: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Sent: Tue, Jan 25, 2011 10:41 am
> Subject: Re: [CR] 1976 NY Int Bike show pics
>
>
> Those are great pictures - the bike business was much more naive in those days.
> I think it was 1977 or 1978 though.
> Bruce Gordon Cycles did not start until June of 1976. The pictures of my frames
> on pages 3 & 4 are quite a nice trip down Memory Lane.
> I'm thinking those were from 1978.
> Regards,
> Bruce Gordon
> Bruce Gordon Cycles
> http://www.bgcycles@svn.net
> http://www.brucegordoncycles.blogspot.com
>
>
>
> On Jan 24, 2011, at 8:47 PM, oroboyz@aol.com wrote:
>
>> Thanks to Lynn Travers (!), I have whole bunch of nice big digital pictures
> made from slides I took at the NYC bike show from 1976-1982.
>>
>>
>> I have put up the first batch, which I THINK (not absolutely sure!) is 1976...
>>
>>
>> Many pics but includes some cool stuff by Richard Sachs, Bob Jackson, Mark
> Dinucci, Bruce Gordon, Confente, etc., etc.
>>
>>
>> Take a look here:
>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/oroboyz/
>>
>>
>> And remember by clicking on "Actions" you can choose "all sizes" and then see
> a very large version (comes in handy studying these old bikes a bit closer.)
>>
>>
>> Enjoy, enjoy.....
>>
>>
>> Dale Brown
>> Greensboro, North Carolina USA
>> http://www.classicrendezvous.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>
> Bruce Gordon
> Bruce Gordon Cycles
> http://www.bgcycles@svn.net
> http://www.brucegordoncycles.blogspot.com
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 8
> Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2011 10:05:03 -0600
> From: Mike Short <avartist@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [CR] Breakfast get together at NAHBS
> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Message-ID:
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>
> Kirby Lane Cafe seems like a pretty good idea although I have to say it has
> been many years since I last ate there. Has a group ride been put together?
> If not, what interest is there in a ride?
>
> Mike Short,
> Austin Texas.
> USA.
>
> On Sun, Jan 23, 2011 at 7:08 PM, Donald Murphey <donmurphey@sbcglobal.net>wrote:
>
>> I hope all you guys and gals are going to NAHBS. There's interest in
>> breakfast Saturday somewhere close to the convention center. Las Manitas
>> downtown is closed. There are not great places downtown for a good casual
>> breakfast, in my opinion. The closest places are a bit north, around campus,
>> or south of the river. My picks are:
>> A good breakfast get together would be at Kerbey Lane Cafe. The University
>> location is the bigger close location to the convention center. It is at
>> 26th and Guadalupe, just north of Univ of Texas Campus. On Saturday
>> mornings there is a wait, and no reservations, so we need to get a head
>> count, and then ask for a big table at a certain time, 8:30 or 9:00.
>>
>> Kerbey Lane Cafe at University
>> 2606 Guadalupe
>> Austin, TX 78705 512.477.5717
>>
>> Another great breakfast place is Trudy's Texas Star Cafe, also just north
>> of Univ Of Texas campus. This will also be busy, no reservations.
>>
>> Trudy's Texas Star Cafe
>> 409 West 30th Street
>> Austin, TX 78705
>> 512-477-2935
>>
>>
>> A group will be riding from the north side to the convention center. If
>> breakfast is not convenient, then we could consider a lunch later in the day
>> at Texas Chili Parlor next to the Capital, Z'Tejas on 6th close to Lamar, or
>> Magnolia Cafe on South Congress. I want to ride in the hill country on
>> Sunday, if anyone is interested. Please voice your desires. We will see
>> what works.
>> Don Murphey
>> Old Austinite, now in Fort Worth, TX
>>
>> Message: 4
>> Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2011 14:44:03 -0600
>> From: Mike Short <avartist@gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [CR] Hotel Austin & NAHBBS
>> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
>> Message-ID:
>> <AANLkTinuK-f=VfxzXZxdcB2PD=q1GD+z=1tsX0eUC02g@mail.gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>>
>> Hi Dale and All,
>>
>> I know you (Dale) asked me about a breakfast location but I have to admit I
>> tend to stay out of the center of town and can offer little in the way
>> of suggestions. However I will keep the idea in mind in case a light
>> bulb should suddenly illuminate! In the mean time I hope there may be ideas
>> from other Austinites.
>>
>> Mike Short,
>> Austin TX.
>> USA.
>>
>> On Sat, Jan 22, 2011 at 11:34 AM, <oroboyz@aol.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> << I hear the restaurants and downtown area are really nice. >>
>>> Rich and all:
>>>
>>>
>>> I am still looking for recommendations for a CR Breakfast location for
>>> Saturday morning. I have no idea how things are laid out there near this
>>> event. Anybody got any good ideas?
>>>
>>>
>>> Dale Brown
>>> Greensboro, North Carolina USA
>>> http://www.classicrendezvous.com
>>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>> _______________________________________________
>>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 9
> Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2011 11:08:29 -0500
> From: oroboyz@aol.com
> Subject: [CR] Comments about CR Weekend hotels
> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Message-ID: <8CD8AC13D5E97E3-1998-CA90@webmail-d014.sysops.aol.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
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> An attendee wrote:
>
>
>
>
> <<... I noticed almost immediately theBattleground Inn was full. >>
>
>
>
>
> Unfortunatelythat place only has 46 rooms or so and they were grabbed up almost immediately.Some folks may cancel at the last minute so maybe a spot could be grabbed, butit will likely be at the last minute and a long shot.
>
>
>
> There are only two other hotels/motels in close range andthey are fairly pricey for our market. (These are the Proximity and theO'Henry, both owned by same company.) This are regularly $200-300 night(!) and the $165 special is a good deal for that facility but almost double the average rate many other spots in town.
>
> After that, foraffordable places, it is a short drive out to the Interstate as it passesthrough town. There are probably more than a dozen decent motel/hotel spots. Iwould recommend the West Wendover Avenue/I-40 area from a convenience, safety& cost perspective. One issue is that from a routing perspective, it is not easy to ride a bicycle from those hotels to the CR Weekend activities.
>
>
> We (family) stayed in the LaQuinta (because we could take our corgis!) when we had our hard wood floors refinished a few months ago and it seemed fine. Those places seem sort of like McDonalds, they are usually pretty much the same I guess. Quite a few people have stayed in that Microtel, which I hear can be rough in some areas because they are so cheap, but this one is not bad and right there beside all the others, in a pretty safe side of town...
>
>
> FYI, One or two areas of town are not the most attractive,so best to follow my recommendations...
>
>
>
> There are also twohotels downtown, which are closer, even easy cycling distance, but ourdowntown, although safe and almost attractive, has parking issues and theseoptions are not inexpensive either.
>
>
>
> As I writethis, I realize it may be of interest to all, so I am going to edit thismessage and send to the whole CR list.
>
>
>
> D
>
> DaleBrown
> cycles de ORO, Inc.
> 1410 Mill Street #100
> Greensboro, North Carolina 27408 USA
> 336-274-5959
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> Message: 10
> Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2011 08:13:50 -0800 (PST)
> From: gillies@ece.ubc.ca (donald gillies)
> Subject: Re: [CR] Inventment cast one piece headtube and lugs
> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Cc: johndthompson@gmail.com
> Message-ID: <20110125161350.DDD9EBA08C@ssh-linux2.ece.ubc.ca>
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> In article, John Thompson <johndthompson(AT)gmail.com> Writes:
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>> [The plastic dropout insert] was funnel-shaped to guide the cable
>> end to the exit hole in the dropout. Without it, it would be
>> difficult to thread a cable through the chainstay.
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> John, what exactly was the main benefit of through-the-chainstay cable
> routing? At the time I thought it was extremely cool and protected
> the shifter cable, but did it speed frame building any more than
> simply slapping a delrin bottom-bracket-routing guide on the underside
> of the bottom bracket, and having a cablestop cast into the dropout?
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> Was there any real weight savings vs. the delrin cable routing?
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> Were there any other advantages?
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> - Don Gillies
> San Diego, CA, USA
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> Message: 11
> Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2011 11:16:05 -0500
> From: oroboyz@aol.com
> Subject: Re: [CR] Breakfast get together at NAHBS
> To: avartist@gmail.com, classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
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> <<.. Kirby Lane Cafe seems like a pretty good idea although I have to say it has
> been many years since I last ate there. Has a group ride been put together?
> If not, what interest is there in a ride? >>
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> Mike & all:
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> I am still gathering info, just did a Google street to get a feel for the place and will announce at some later date whatever the consensus indicates. Some, many? will be on foot so that will enter into the equation... The breakfast will certainly be Saturday AM Feb 26th.
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> Thanks and look forward to meeting you all!
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> Dale Brown
> Greensboro, North Carolina USA
> http://www.classicrendezvous.com
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mike Short <avartist@gmail.com>
> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Sent: Tue, Jan 25, 2011 11:05 am
> Subject: Re: [CR] Breakfast get together at NAHBS
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>
> Kirby Lane Cafe seems like a pretty good idea although I have to say it has
> been many years since I last ate there. Has a group ride been put together?
> If not, what interest is there in a ride?
>
> Mike Short,
> Austin Texas.
> USA.
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> On Sun, Jan 23, 2011 at 7:08 PM, Donald Murphey <donmurphey@sbcglobal.net>wrote:
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>> I hope all you guys and gals are going to NAHBS. There's interest in
>> breakfast Saturday somewhere close to the convention center. Las Manitas
>> downtown is closed. There are not great places downtown for a good casual
>> breakfast, in my opinion. The closest places are a bit north, around campus,
>> or south of the river. My picks are:
>> A good breakfast get together would be at Kerbey Lane Cafe. The University
>> location is the bigger close location to the convention center. It is at
>> 26th and Guadalupe, just north of Univ of Texas Campus. On Saturday
>> mornings there is a wait, and no reservations, so we need to get a head
>> count, and then ask for a big table at a certain time, 8:30 or 9:00.
>>
>> Kerbey Lane Cafe at University
>> 2606 Guadalupe
>> Austin, TX 78705 512.477.5717
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>> Another great breakfast place is Trudy's Texas Star Cafe, also just north
>> of Univ Of Texas campus. This will also be busy, no reservations.
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>> Trudy's Texas Star Cafe
>> 409 West 30th Street
>> Austin, TX 78705
>> 512-477-2935
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>> A group will be riding from the north side to the convention center. If
>> breakfast is not convenient, then we could consider a lunch later in the day
>> at Texas Chili Parlor next to the Capital, Z'Tejas on 6th close to Lamar, or
>> Magnolia Cafe on South Congress. I want to ride in the hill country on
>> Sunday, if anyone is interested. Please voice your desires. We will see
>> what works.
>> Don Murphey
>> Old Austinite, now in Fort Worth, TX
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>> Message: 4
>> Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2011 14:44:03 -0600
>> From: Mike Short <avartist@gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [CR] Hotel Austin & NAHBBS
>> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
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>> Hi Dale and All,
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>> I know you (Dale) asked me about a breakfast location but I have to admit I
>> tend to stay out of the center of town and can offer little in the way
>> of suggestions. However I will keep the idea in mind in case a light
>> bulb should suddenly illuminate! In the mean time I hope there may be ideas
>> from other Austinites.
>>
>> Mike Short,
>> Austin TX.
>> USA.
>>
>> On Sat, Jan 22, 2011 at 11:34 AM, <oroboyz@aol.com> wrote:
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>>> << I hear the restaurants and downtown area are really nice. >>
>>> Rich and all:
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>>> I am still looking for recommendations for a CR Breakfast location for
>>> Saturday morning. I have no idea how things are laid out there near this
>>> event. Anybody got any good ideas?
>>>
>>>
>>> Dale Brown
>>> Greensboro, North Carolina USA
>>> http://www.classicrendezvous.com
>>>
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>> Sent from my iPad
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