Re: [CR] Wider = faster..."my pump won't go that high"

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From: "paccoastcycles" <paccoastcycles@sbcglobal.net>
To: "David Ross" <dlr94306@yahoo.com>, "Dave Porter" <frogeye@porterscustom.com>
References: <246433.66625.qm@web110501.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2011 07:36:12 -0800
Cc: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
Subject: Re: [CR] Wider = faster..."my pump won't go that high"


About five years ago, a young twenties triathlete was standing accross the counter from me at the bike shop. She told me she would be needing to bring her special race wheels in to have me pump her tires. Her pump "wouldn't go that high". How high do you need to pump them, I asked. She told me 170psi. I kid you not.

I tried to discuss what a tire does--how it works. Very early in saying my piece about that, I could see that she had tuned out the old gray beard bike shop guy, who probably doesn't know much anyway. I only finished my sentence so as to be able to gracefully go about my business.

More is better! You go, Tri -Girl!

Chuck Hoefer
Pacific Coast Cycles
Oceanside, Ca.


----- Original Message -----
From: David Ross
To: Dave Porter
Cc: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2011 8:56 PM
Subject: Re: [CR] Wider = faster


Dave P wrote:

"So, I'm still on the unconvinced side of the fence. Which one of you wants to tell the current hot shoe that his Kilo record will be on a fat tire?"

Dave, I hope you're using the "reductio ad absurdum" rhetorical technique with tongue firmly placed between cheek and gum! Why would anyone think that a fat tire would be faster on a world class track? As I understand the point of the study (and, in fact, the main point of this whole silly debate), is that when forced through constant cycles of deflection and recovery (think "bumpy road"), a tire that wastes less energy doing so allows more efficient forward motion. Most tracks aren't bumpy enough for this to be an issue.

I personally don't spend much time in the velodrome anymore, and would not consider using my 165g Soyo seta pista tires, pumped up to about 10bar, on our local roads. Even if I wanted to destroy tires that way for fun, I'll bet it would be a harsh ride and not really fast.

25mm is about as thin as I go on the road now, often up to 26 or 27 if I can get the right tire. I'm not winning any local races on these fat tires. Then again I'm not actually entering races, either. But if I did, I would stick with 25mm (or larger) tires. I wrench for a master's triathlete who I have talked into using 25s for courses that include less-than-pristine pavement. He agrees that they give him a time advantage over the lemmings on 19mm tires, and his aging body likes the ride a lot better, too.

In the end, the smart thing is to choose tires that fit the requirements and conditions of the job at hand. Those are the ones (whether smooth, knobby, thin, thick, hard, soft and so on) that will be the fastest.

Dave Ross
Portola Valley, California USA