Re: [CR] nagasawa love - frame orders

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Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2011 11:25:06 -0800 (PST)
From: "jeffrey piwonka" <jmpiwonka@yahoo.com>
To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
In-Reply-To: <83104.25046.qm@web82702.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [CR] nagasawa love - frame orders


here are the pics of e-richie's nagasawa. http://www.flickr.com/photos/9866331@N08/sets/72157600705950461/

effin awzm...who said something about lack of shorelines?

Jeff Piwonka
Austin, Texas


--- On Wed, 2/9/11, jeffrey piwonka wrote:


> From: jeffrey piwonka <jmpiwonka@yahoo.com>

\r?\n> Subject: Re: [CR] nagasawa love - frame orders

\r?\n> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org

\r?\n> Date: Wednesday, February 9, 2011, 1:07 PM

\r?\n> no i think the turnaround time was 3

\r?\n> weeks.

\r?\n>

\r?\n> this is it.

\r?\n> http://www.flickr.com/photos/jenandross/4857366564/

\r?\n>

\r?\n> he had a japanese friend communicate for the order if i

\r?\n> remember correctly...

\r?\n>

\r?\n> erichie's nagasawa is badass.

\r?\n> can't seem to find pics of it now.

\r?\n>

\r?\n> i'm not a fan of the socketed tips and dropouts so, when i

\r?\n> was asked if i wanted them for the frame i had built (not a

\r?\n> nagasawa) i said no thanks...seems lots of people like them

\r?\n> and therefore ask for them from the builders...

\r?\n>

\r?\n> Jeff Piwonka

\r?\n> Austin, Texas

\r?\n>

\r?\n> --- On Wed, 2/9/11, greg piwonka <paseone@hotmail.com>

\r?\n> wrote:

\r?\n>

\r?\n> > From: greg piwonka <paseone@hotmail.com>

\r?\n> > Subject: Re: [CR] nagasawa love - frame orders

\r?\n> > To: bikes@msu.edu, classicrendezvous@bikelist.org

\r?\n> > Date: Wednesday, February 9, 2011, 11:38 AM

\r?\n> >

\r?\n> > someone here in town got a custom frame from nagasawa

\r?\n> last

\r?\n> > year

\r?\n> > and he didn't travel all the way to japan to get

\r?\n> measured.

\r?\n> > i think turnaround was 3 months or less shipped to

\r?\n> his

\r?\n> > door.

\r?\n> > greg piwonka

\r?\n> > austin tx

\r?\n> > usa

\r?\n> >

\r?\n> >

\r?\n> >

\r?\n> > > From: bikes@msu.edu

\r?\n> > > To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org

\r?\n> > > Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2011 11:29:50 -0500

\r?\n> > > Subject: Re: [CR] nagasawa love - frame orders

\r?\n> > >

\r?\n> > > Mr. Nagasawa told me that he's no longer

\r?\n> building

\r?\n> > custom frames for

\r?\n> > > customers he can't meet and properly measure and

\r?\n> > fit.  As for road frames, I

\r?\n> > > didn't see any in progress or in his shop at the

\r?\n> time,

\r?\n> > so I'm not sure.  He

\r?\n> > > did mention that he really doesn't like the

\r?\n> complexity

\r?\n> > of building road

\r?\n> > > frames, but I wouldn't take that as a final

\r?\n> answer to

\r?\n> > the question if he

\r?\n> > > would or wouldn't build more. 

\r?\n> > >

\r?\n> > > 

\r?\n> > >

\r?\n> > > If any of you are seriously interested and

\r?\n> willing to

\r?\n> > travel to Osaka to

\r?\n> > > place the order I can contact him and find out

\r?\n> for

\r?\n> > you; drop me an email.

\r?\n> > >

\r?\n> > > 

\r?\n> > >

\r?\n> > > Tim

\r?\n> > >

\r?\n> > > 

\r?\n> > >

\r?\n> > > 

\r?\n> > >

\r?\n> > > 

\r?\n> > >

\r?\n> > > Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2011 07:47:35 -0800

\r?\n> > >

\r?\n> > > From: "Charles Andrews" <chasds@mindspring.com>

\r?\n> > >

\r?\n> > > Subject: Re: [CR] nagasawa love

\r?\n> > >

\r?\n> > > To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>

\r?\n> > >

\r?\n> > > Message-ID:

\r?\n> > <7F6F77CF9E0044A7AD1851CBAF97D1C0@DELL>

\r?\n> > >

\r?\n> > > Content-Type: text/plain; 

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\r?\n> > > 

\r?\n> > >

\r?\n> > > 

\r?\n> > >

\r?\n> > > If you think about where Nagasawa came from, it's

\r?\n> no

\r?\n> > wonder he builds frames

\r?\n> > > with plug-and-play parts that require little

\r?\n> > finish.  I'd do the same were I

\r?\n> > > him.  He worked for Pogliaghi and De Rosa at a

\r?\n> > time when both those makers

\r?\n> > > used pressed lugs and very crudely cast

\r?\n> crowns. 

\r?\n> > The amount of filing and

\r?\n> > > sanding required to make those frames even

\r?\n> minimally

\r?\n> > presentable would have

\r?\n> > > taken hours of work, and work that's very hard on

\r?\n> the

\r?\n> > finger-tips and hands

\r?\n> > > and wrists.  If Nagasawa still had to do

\r?\n> > that...he wouldn't be building

\r?\n> > > frames anymore, and probably would not have been

\r?\n> for

\r?\n> > quite some time by now.

\r?\n> > > He would have retired with repetitive motion

\r?\n> > injuries. 

\r?\n> > >

\r?\n> > > 

\r?\n> > >

\r?\n> > > I have a lot of admiration for the way Nagasawa

\r?\n> > thought through the problem

\r?\n> > > of how to minimize unnecessary work, and still

\r?\n> produce

\r?\n> > a high-quality

\r?\n> > > product.  His frames might not be quite as

\r?\n> > characterful as a 1972

\r?\n> > > short-point De Rosa, or a 1968 Pogliaghi road,

\r?\n> but

\r?\n> > they're still

\r?\n> > > recognizably his, and very tidy looking.  And

\r?\n> > he's still making them!

\r?\n> > >

\r?\n> > > 

\r?\n> > >

\r?\n> > > I'd love to have one.  They're hard to get

\r?\n> > though.  And not cheap when they

\r?\n> > > are available on the used market.  Too bad he

\r?\n> > doesn't take orders for

\r?\n> > > road-frames..or so I've heard..is that true?

\r?\n> > >

\r?\n> > > 

\r?\n> > >

\r?\n> > > Charles Andrews

\r?\n> > >

\r?\n> > > Los Angeles

\r?\n> > >

\r?\n> > > 

\r?\n> > >

\r?\n> > > 

\r?\n> > >

\r?\n> > > ********************

\r?\n> > > Tim Potter

\r?\n> > > Manager, Bike Service Center

\r?\n> > > MSU Bikes Service Center

\r?\n> > > B10 Bessey Hall/ Michigan St. University

\r?\n> > > Along the N. River Trail, 300 ft. west of Farm

\r?\n> Ln.

\r?\n> > Bridge

\r?\n> > > E. Lansing, MI 48824-1033

\r?\n> > >

\r?\n> > > Ph: 517/432-3400

\r?\n> > > Fax: 517/432-2743

\r?\n> > > Email:  <mailto:bikes@msu.edu> bikes@msu.edu

\r?\n> > > Web: http://www.bikes.msu.edu

\r?\n> > > Home Dept: http://www.transportation.pp.msu.edu

\r?\n> > >

\r?\n> > > *************************

\r?\n> > >

\r?\n> > > 

\r?\n> > >

\r?\n> > > "Where there is a wheel there is a way."

\r?\n> > >

\r?\n> > > Motto of the Good Roads Movement

\r?\n> > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Good_Roads_Movement ,

\r?\n> > early 1900s