In 1980, I was lured to go bike touring in Europe for the first time by a young lady I met on Bikecentennial several years earlier. My wonderful Centurion Semi-Pro had been stolen just after the cross country trip and I needed a bike for the Europeanean trip. I had a couple of unsuitable racing bikes, but my dad's Peugeot PX-10 was hanging unused in the garage.It had eyelets for racks and fenders, so I changed the wheels to clincher wheels and wider tires and off I went. After several weeks in central Europe's wettest summer in years, I took the train to the top of Norway and spent the following weeks heading south through brilliant and nearly constant sunshine. It was fabulous. One afternoon, on a difficult stretch of rocky dirt highway (the old E-6 wasn't all paved back then) the bike was acting quite strangely. The heavily loaded bike always squeaked and skwaked but this was a new noise. At a rest stop, I found that the seat tube had fractured neatly at its midpoint. There was nothing to do but press on to the next town where, after lots of sign language and a few diagrams I was able to obtain a handfull of hose clamps and some "super lim", super glue. In camp that evening, a flattened can of fruit juice was wrapped around the broken tube after being thickly lathered with super glue. The hose clamps held it all tightly in place, and it was left to cure for the night. Amazingly, the repair proved to be stout enough until I arrived at a friend's home in Germany. He was a professor of engineering at the university and insisted to take my bike in for repair. I collected it later that day, the juice can and clamps replaced by a cleanly brazed steel reinforcement, painted white of course. In typical German fashion, the lab techs had polished off all the rusty spots on the frame and touched them up with the white paint as well. The bike looked like it had some sort of disease! That bike has gone a long ways since and is still in one piece, in my gar age as I write. A happy reminder of a great summer. If I just could have repaired the relationship with my girlfriend so easily....
Cheers from Mountain View California, where it is certainly not summer right now Chris Wiscavage
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Today's Topics:
1. Bishop and Bilenky (Bill Prouty) 2. for sale (EPL) 3. Re: Helmets that look ok with classic bikes (paccoastcycles) 4. Re: Helmets that look ok with classic bikes (Eric Schambach) 5. Re: Benelux Star freewheel (Peter Brueggeman) 6. Re: Benelux Star freewheel [correction] (Peter Brueggeman) 7. Re: Helmets that look ok with classic bikes (Carlos Ovalle) 8. Re: Helmets that look ok with classic bikes (Kerrigan Bennett) 9. sorry for multiple posts (KvnMuadib@aol.com) 10. Re: Helmets that look ok with classic bikes (Mark Lawrence) 11. Re: Helmets that look ok with classic bikes (Brent Steelman) 12. Re: Uhoh..urago on ebay (Kurt Sperry) 13. A Personal AND a Business Introduction (Tom Davis) 14. Re: Helmets that look ok with classic bikes (John Betmanis)
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Message: 1 Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2011 11:49:20 -0500 From: "Bill Prouty" <bill@wbpnet.com> Subject: [CR] Bishop and Bilenky To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Message-ID: <002201cbcf8b$cac47eb0$604d7c10$@com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Thanks to Brett Horton and others for sharing the incredible work that's going into the two constructeur bikes being built. The pictures of the process are a great insight into what it takes to create two-wheeled works of art. I regret I won't be at NAHBS to see the final product first hand.
Bill Prouty
Wellesley, MA
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Message: 2 Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2011 08:56:30 -0800 (PST) From: EPL <lowiemanuel@yahoo.ca> Subject: [CR] for sale To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Message-ID: <163098.8418.qm@web130105.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
3ttt Mod. 1 Record Strada stem, silver, metric French 22.0 quill, 105mm length, NOS, $95
3ttt Mod. 1 Record Strada stem, silver, metric French 22.0 quill, 110mm length, 98%, $85
3ttt Mod. 78 Record Strada stem, silver, 22.2 quill, 95mm length, NOS, $90
Maillard 700 Service Course Professionnel 6-speed freewheel with Dural (aluminum) cogs, 14-16-18-20-22-24. British threads, 194 grams(!), NOS in box with instructions, $160
Dura-Ace Gold Pro Model Racing 5-speed freewheel, 13-15-16-17-19. British threads, 325 grams, NOS in box, $75
OMAS quick release skewers, pair of front and rear (good for 6-speed), lightweight aluminum ends with Campy curved levers, these weigh considerably less than equivalent all-Campy skewer pairs, NOS, $65
All prices in US$ include shipping anywhere in North America. Shipping elsewhere extra at cost.
Emanuel Lowi Montreal, Canada
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Message: 3 Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2011 08:58:26 -0800 From: "paccoastcycles" <paccoastcycles@sbcglobal.net> Subject: Re: [CR] Helmets that look ok with classic bikes To: <bsandel@verizon.net>, <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Message-ID: <05F2583BA92E425689C82F361C080012@ownerd556865ac> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original
Helmet acceptability is in the head. They all look good with all bikes. Anyway, I wear a helmet on my On Topic bikes and I always look just right! :)
Chuck Hoefer
Pacific Coast Cycles
Oceanside, Ca.
> Awfully quiet out here today listers. Maybe Dale put the fear of Tulio
> into us about off-topic posts. I hope this question is not too out there.
> I'd hate to get banned.
>
> Helmet use is not optional for me - I'm going to wear one no matter what.
> I'm wondering if anyone knows of modern helmets that may not look as goofy
> with classic bike and kit as a typical brightly graphical Giro etc. I'm
> hoping for plain black with simple air slots and a head hugging shape
> (rather than the current rear-flared helmet shape). I've Googled and
> found some tweedy covers and the archives weren't much help. I'm not
> trying to start a debate, just wondering if anyone has found something
> they like.
>
> Ben Sandel
> looking to spend some bread on something for his head in Harrisonburg, VA.
> _______________________________________________
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Message: 4 Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2011 12:13:55 -0500 From: Eric Schambach <eric.schambach@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [CR] Helmets that look ok with classic bikes To: bsandel@verizon.net Cc: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Message-ID: <AANLkTimCRR57mqy0j=1tNN3H=-asWmKovDfs5smcMMoM@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
I love the look of the Casco "Attack"<http://www.casco-helme.de/en/produkte.html?page=shop.product_details&flypage=flypage.tpl&product_id=32&category_id=18>helmet, but it's very expensive and only comes in one size.
Eric Schambach
NYC
On Fri, Feb 18, 2011 at 10:06 AM, <bsandel@verizon.net> wrote:
> Awfully quiet out here today listers. Maybe Dale put the fear of Tulio
> into us about off-topic posts. I hope this question is not too out there.
> I'd hate to get banned.
>
> Helmet use is not optional for me - I'm going to wear one no matter what.
> I'm wondering if anyone knows of modern helmets that may not look as goofy
> with classic bike and kit as a typical brightly graphical Giro etc. I'm
> hoping for plain black with simple air slots and a head hugging shape
> (rather than the current rear-flared helmet shape). I've Googled and found
> some tweedy covers and the archives weren't much help. I'm not trying to
> start a debate, just wondering if anyone has found something they like.
>
> Ben Sandel
> looking to spend some bread on something for his head in Harrisonburg, VA.
> _______________________________________________
>
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Message: 5 Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2011 09:16:21 -0800 From: "Peter Brueggeman" <4peebee@peterbrueggeman.com> Subject: Re: [CR] Benelux Star freewheel To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Message-ID: <600947A6FB884CE99B566DDB47BD0072@PC11364> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original
Sam Stevens asks "... a benelux star five speed (13-14-15-16-17 Teeth) and am trying to find out the date these came on the market ..."
There's no reference to a "Star" freewheel in these Cyclo Benelux catalogues:
1950 [Ref. 50]; 1953 [Ref. 538]; 1955 [Ref. 559]; 1960 [Ref. 609]; 1968 [Ref. 628/G/S]
Peter Brueggeman La Jolla California USA 4peebee(at)peterbrueggeman.com
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Message: 6 Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2011 09:41:01 -0800 From: "Peter Brueggeman" <4peebee@peterbrueggeman.com> Subject: Re: [CR] Benelux Star freewheel [correction] To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Message-ID: <6F99262FDF7F4282BA047550503F9B3D@PC11364> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original
CORRECTION: Ref 628 is probably a 1962 catalogue, and not 1968. There's no date/year on that catalogue, and it appears reference numbers correlate to years, as seen in preceding catalogues, some of which are dated.
Sam Stevens asks "... a benelux star five speed (13-14-15-16-17 Teeth) and am trying to find out the date these came on the market ..."
There's no reference to a "Star" freewheel in these Cyclo Benelux catalogues:
1950 [Ref. 50]; 1953 [Ref. 538]; 1955 [Ref. 559]; 1960 [Ref. 609]; 1968 [Ref. 628/G/S]
Peter Brueggeman La Jolla California USA 4peebee(at)peterbrueggeman.com
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Message: 7 Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2011 10:12:07 -0800 From: Carlos Ovalle <ovalle@charter.net> Subject: Re: [CR] Helmets that look ok with classic bikes To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Message-ID: <E360495A-5132-4AAD-89AD-97C6033E665C@charter.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Bell Helmet produced a hard-shell helmet sometime in the mid-80s that was not as dorky looking as their original white helmet. I don't know the name of that particular helmet but it mimicked the thicker hairnet helmets in terms of look, while complying with the codes of the day. The shell was thick plastic, not the paper-thin stuff of today, and it was high-density EPS for shock absorption.
I don't know of anything today except for perhaps Bell's Citi helmet, in black.
Carlos Ovalle Long Beach, California, USA http://www.ovallearchitects.com
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Message: 8 Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2011 10:23:21 -0800 From: Kerrigan Bennett <kerriganbennett@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [CR] Helmets that look ok with classic bikes To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Message-ID: <AANLkTim3fzL0Q8DtbOZV0MCPKLJSqxA6rsOg9J-tbtMm@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
That was the Bell V-1 Pro, introduced in 1983:
http://www.bellbikestuff.com/
I think we should be able to do better than that with modern alternatives.
Kerrigan Bennett Pleasant Hill, CA USA
Archive-URL:
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Bell Helmet produced a hard-shell helmet sometime in the mid-80s that was not as dorky looking as their original white helmet. I don't know the name of that particular helmet but it mimicked the thicker hairnet helmets in terms of look, while complying with the codes of the day. The shell was thick plastic, not the paper-thin stuff of today, and it was high-density EPS for shock absorption.
I don't know of anything today except for perhaps Bell's Citi helmet, in black.
Carlos Ovalle Long Beach, California, USA http://www.ovallearchitects.com
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Message: 9 Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2011 13:30:54 EST From: KvnMuadib@aol.com Subject: [CR] sorry for multiple posts To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Message-ID: <99065.745e1729.3a9014de@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
sorry for the barrage of e-mails regarding parts fs.I had problems either with my e-mail service and browser software or both.......kevin ruberg howell nj usa
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Message: 10 Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2011 19:03:49 +0000 From: Mark Lawrence <mark.lawrence@firstreadthis.com> Subject: Re: [CR] Helmets that look ok with classic bikes To: Kerrigan Bennett <kerriganbennett@gmail.com>, "classicrendezvous@bikelist.org" <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Message-ID: <35ABF7BF50720C47BA9DF7AD1A6600C72794EA0833@PEMEXMBXVS02.jellyfishnet.co.uk.local>
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Obviously you should look at 'Bobbin Bicycles' in London, with their bowler hat (or Derby if you are in the USA) for cycling
http://www.bobbinbicycles.co.uk/
Although perhaps it is a bit too 'classic' (by about 50 years).
Mark Lawrence Oxford United Kingdom ________________________________________ From: classicrendezvous-bounces+mark.lawrence=firstreadthis.com@bikelist.org [classicrendezvous-bounces+mark.lawrence=firstreadthis.com@bikelist.org] On Behalf Of Kerrigan Bennett [kerriganbennett@gmail.com] Sent: 18 February 2011 18:23 To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: Re: [CR] Helmets that look ok with classic bikes
That was the Bell V-1 Pro, introduced in 1983:
http://www.bellbikestuff.com/
I think we should be able to do better than that with modern alternatives.
Kerrigan Bennett Pleasant Hill, CA USA
Archive-URL:
http://search.bikelist.org/
Bell Helmet produced a hard-shell helmet sometime in the mid-80s that was not as dorky looking as their original white helmet. I don't know the name of that particular helmet but it mimicked the thicker hairnet helmets in terms of look, while complying with the codes of the day. The shell was thick plastic, not the paper-thin stuff of today, and it was high-density EPS for shock absorption.
I don't know of anything today except for perhaps Bell's Citi helmet, in black.
Carlos Ovalle Long Beach, California, USA http://www.ovallearchitects.com _______________________________________________
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Message: 11 Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2011 11:10:20 -0800 From: Brent Steelman <info@steelmancycles.com> Subject: Re: [CR] Helmets that look ok with classic bikes To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Message-ID: <4D5EC41C.7050608@steelmancycles.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
I'm sorry, the helmet thing is a little much. If you are into the classic look so much, a hat of some sort is the choice, not a helmet.
Brent
Steelman Cycles 3600 Haven Ave #5 Redwood City, CA 94063 tel:650-364-3939 fax:650-364-4029 info@steelmancycles.com http://www.steelmancycles.com
On 2/18/2011 11:03 AM, Mark Lawrence wrote:
> Obviously you should look at 'Bobbin Bicycles' in London, with their bowler hat (or Derby if you are in the USA) for cycling
>
> http://www.bobbinbicycles.co.uk/
>
> Although perhaps it is a bit too 'classic' (by about 50 years).
>
> Mark Lawrence
> Oxford
> United Kingdom
> ________________________________________
> From: classicrendezvous-bounces+mark.lawrence=firstreadthis.com@bikelist.org [classicrendezvous-bounces+mark.lawrence=firstreadthis.com@bikelist.org] On Behalf Of Kerrigan Bennett [kerriganbennett@gmail.com]
> Sent: 18 February 2011 18:23
> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> Subject: Re: [CR] Helmets that look ok with classic bikes
>
> That was the Bell V-1 Pro, introduced in 1983:
> http://www.bellbikestuff.com/
>
> I think we should be able to do better than that with modern alternatives.
>
> Kerrigan Bennett
> Pleasant Hill, CA USA
>
> Archive-URL:
> http://search.bikelist.org/
> From: Carlos Ovalle<ovalle(AT)charter.net>
> Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2011 10:12:07 -0800
> Subject: Re: [CR] Helmets that look ok with classic
> bikes<http://search.bikelist.org/query.asp?SearchString=%22Helmets+that+look+ok+with+classic+bikes%22&SearchPrefix=%40msgsubject&SortBy=MsgDate%5Ba%5D>
>
> Bell Helmet produced a hard-shell helmet sometime in the mid-80s that was
> not as dorky looking as their original white helmet. I don't know the name
> of that particular helmet but it mimicked the thicker hairnet helmets in
> terms of look, while complying with the codes of the day. The shell was
> thick plastic, not the paper-thin stuff of today, and it was high-density
> EPS for shock absorption.
>
> I don't know of anything today except for perhaps Bell's Citi helmet, in
> black.
>
> Carlos Ovalle
> Long Beach, California, USA
> http://www.ovallearchitects.com
> _______________________________________________
> _______________________________________________
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Message: 12 Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2011 11:20:38 -0800 From: Kurt Sperry <haxixe@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [CR] Uhoh..urago on ebay Cc: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Message-ID: <AANLkTin_8PH50M54=apfvzXU8gTt-Rqu7+bnJk=xE3bW@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
How many people here have personally as opposed to it happening to a friend, cousin etc. had classic steel frames experience an actual structural failure due solely to rust? I've never seen or heard of it happening but have learned not to put much weight in my own narrow anecdotal experience. If Fraysee is anywhere close to correct there should be hundreds or more probably thousands of such tales out there to be related by list members.
How about a show of hands?
Kurt Sperry Bellingham, Washington USA
On Fri, Feb 18, 2011 at 8:36 AM, Charles Andrews <chasds@mindspring.com> wrote:
> Mike F wrote:
>
> Forty year old professional bikes, built with thin seamless tubing, that
> have the original factory paint jobs, 90% of the time are not safe to ride
> as they decay from the inside, just like termites that eat out and stop when
> they reach the paint, the beam looks ok but the building falls down.
>
> I have to say, I wondered about that. ?Apart from anything else, re-painting a frame will not do anything to prevent rust from the inside out. ?Preventing that requires other measures.
>
> So I was struck by the logical disconnect.
>
> Charles Andrews
> Los Angeles
>
>
>
>
> It is impossible to begin to learn that
> which one thinks one already knows.
> --Epictetus
>
> _______________________________________________
>
-- http://scrimshaw-globes.com
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Message: 13 Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2011 14:29:56 -0500 From: "Tom Davis" <tdavis1@nc.rr.com> Subject: [CR] A Personal AND a Business Introduction To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Message-ID: <914A27E7438642A3AB52C314EDBB1711@jj8gb41> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Hi everyone!
I've been a member of this list for some time, but haven't done an introduction until now. My name is Tom Davis and I live in Chapel Hill, North Carolina. I started working with bikes in 1972. My first job was with Ken Wallace (of Bisbee Bicycle Brothel fame) in a little shop in Wilmington, NC. It was just the two of us and we had a pretty good time. Ken taught me a lot; not only about the technical side of things, but also about the mystique of the fine, hand-built machine. McLean Fonville was a frequent visitor, as Wilmington was his home town. McLean taught me how to build wheels and a lot of other things; but what impressed me the most was his philosophy that if you're not going to do something as well as it can be done then why do it at all. Everyone who knew him is aware of the beauty of his work.
When I was racing in the early seventies, my iron was a Fuji Newest, which had just been introduced; but my pride and joy was my time trial bike. Almost every part on it (except the Cinelli M71 pedals and the Hi-E rims) was modified to reduce weight. And all of this was on a beautiful Witcomb, USA 531 steel frame. It was the first lugless frame that Peter Weigle built and the artistry was obvious even when he was just getting started. Oh, yeah. seventeen pounds total. Wish I still had it.
In 1974 or '75 I went to the International Bike Show in New York and while there saw a display of components that had been drilled out. They were beautiful. I immediately signed up for a machinist course at the local technical college and got my certification in industrial machine operations. Talk about something that will make you a better mechanic - that was it! I went to Sears and bought a drill press and started my own business. Ken thought up a name for it and "Perfect Perforations" was born.
I did quite a bit of work, but the popularity of drilling holes in parts
waned. I've had several jobs since then - bike shop owner, big bike chain
store manager, payroll timekeeper (ugh) - and it wasn't until I came across
this list that I realized there might be a market for customizing parts
again. I've done a lot of research, bought a lot of new equipment, and I'm
pleased to announce that Perfect Perforations is back in business; and I'm
doing a lot more than just drilling holes this time. I hope you will all
take a moment to check my web site, http://www.perfectperforations.com/
So, take a look and let me know what you think. My understanding is that I only get to do a "commercial" one time in Classic Rendezvous, so if you have any questions relating to my services please e-mail me at <mailto:tom@perfectperforations.com> tom@perfectperforations.com. I look forward to hearing from you.
Also, Dale Brown has been kind enough to ask me to be a speaker at his upcoming "Classic Rendezvous Weekend" being held this May in Greensboro, NC, and I'm hoping to meet some of you there. To me, this is quite an honor; especially based on the caliper of speakers at last year's Cirque du Cyclisme. I'd be interested in knowing what you'd like to hear me talk about, as I'll only have a limited amount of time.
Thanks!
Tom Davis
Chapel Hill, NC, USA
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Message: 14 Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2011 14:59:37 -0500 From: John Betmanis <johnb@oxford.net> Subject: Re: [CR] Helmets that look ok with classic bikes To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Message-ID: <4D5ECFA9.3020106@oxford.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
In 1983 there was the Bell V1 Pro,
see http://www.bellbikestuff.com/
Around that time I had a similar looking Bell, but it was painted foam, with no hard shell at all.
Today I ride with a modern "swoopy-zoomy" style Bell and don't feel it detracts from my vintage bikes in the slightest way. Bike helmets have come a long way since the On Topic period ended and I don't see the point (or wisdom) of riding with an obsolete helmet. However, if somebody wants to, they can always get a BMX, kayak or mountain climbing helmet and look dorky.
-- John Betmanis Woodstock, Ontario Canada
On 18/02/2011 1:12 PM, Carlos Ovalle wrote:
> Bell Helmet produced a hard-shell helmet sometime in the mid-80s that was not as dorky looking as their original white helmet. I don't know the name of that particular helmet but it mimicked the thicker hairnet helmets in terms of look, while complying with the codes of the day. The shell was thick plastic, not the paper-thin stuff of today, and it was high-density EPS for shock absorption.
>
> I don't know of anything today except for perhaps Bell's Citi helmet, in black.
>
> Carlos Ovalle
> Long Beach, California, USA
> http://www.ovallearchitects.com
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