Re: [CR] Now Repro Decals

(Example: Framebuilding:Technology)

Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2011 18:55:14 +0000 (GMT)
From: "Hugh Thornton" <hughwthornton@yahoo.co.uk>
To: Classic Rendezvous <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>, Peter Naiman <hetchinspete1@yahoo.com>
In-Reply-To: <6925.66332.qm@web111706.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [CR] Now Repro Decals


In the case of the sign shop that I used, I just gave them the best jpegs I had along with dimensions and they just got on with it.  It was a small shop with one smart woman who did most of their graphics work.  She did her thing then emailed the graphics to me for approval, after which they printed them, running off several sets at no extra charge, because it didn't cost them any extra to use the whole width of the sheet they were printing on, except for a bit of ink.

I had a quick glance at some of the decals on the hetchins.org site and thoiught that most sign shops wouldn't have any trouble with them (assuming there are no copyright issues).

hugh thornton
cheshire, england


--- On Sun, 23/1/11, Peter Naiman wrote:


From: Peter Naiman <hetchinspete1@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [CR] Now Repro Decals To: "Classic Rendezvous" <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>, "Hugh Thornton" <hughwthornton@yahoo.co.uk> Date: Sunday, 23 January, 2011, 16:02

Hugh,

One of my project this year is building a small paint booth in my basement and buying the equipment to learn how to paint my own frames and learn the art of lug and boxlining, but the transfer reproduction is one thing I'm not up on. I know my friend Keith Helon used a Caad program on his computer to reproduce transfers by drawing them and them giving the drawing to a local sign shop. But this is labor intensive, which is okay, but is there another way to scan a transfer in as quite a few transfers for the Hetchins are available on the Hetchins.org website.

Regards, Peter ~~~~~

Peter W. Naiman Owner: Cream City Online. Registered Ebay Sales Broker/ Trading Assistant Glendale, WI USA 53217-5034 Phone: 414-429-4362


--- On Sun, 1/23/11, Hugh Thornton wrote:


From: Hugh Thornton <hughwthornton@yahoo.co.uk> Subject: Re: [CR] Now Repro Decals To: "Classic Rendezvous" <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Date: Sunday, January 23, 2011, 9:26 AM

Most people these days are printing decals on thin adhesive plastic film.  The important thing being the UV stability of the film and the ink if they are to retain their appearance for a number of years.  They do not have to be printed by a specialist decal manufacturer: I had some made up by a local sign company that produces all sorts of signage and printed products and the results were very good.
>From a quality perspective, these decals are generally considered superior to water slide or varnish fix decals, but they have the disadvantage of extra thickness.  The thickness can be masked by clearcoat, but that has the disadvantage of giving a finish which doesn't look at all period.  Dulling the finish on the clearcoat can make things look better.  Perhaps the experienced refinishers on the list can advise how to get the most realistic vintage appearance using plastic film decals.

Hugh
Thornton
Cheshire, England


--- On Sat, 22/1/11, Owen Wrigley wrote:


From: Owen Wrigley <owen_wrigley@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: [CR] French bikes / Mercier Decals - Now Repro Decals To: "Classic Rendezvous" <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>, hughwthornton@yahoo.co.uk, "Norris Lockley" <nlockley73@gmail.com> Date: Saturday, 22 January, 2011, 17:21

Dear Hugh and all,

Regarding decal reproduction.

I have just acquired a quite rare example of a Hilton Wrigley Connoisseur frame.  Norris Lockley, who knew the man Hilton, himself, is providing me enormous assistance with this frame, but the matter of decal/transfers is in the air.

Norris has done a nice piece on Hilton at: http://www.classiclightweights.co.uk/builders/hilton-wrigley-builders.html

This Hilton Wrigley frame comes with a head badge and seat tube crest transfer that even Norris has never seen before. 

While not certain that the bike will require a refinish, I am doing my due diligence to prepare reproductions for the need.  Obviously, there will be no big market for these, so it\u2019s probably going to be one-off, with a couple spares. 

A cousin of mine has already risen to the challenge.  He says his "church ladies" include a couple graphic artists who have declared that they can deliver this "professionally 'vectored' into a .eps format which can subsequently be used to create various size .pdf s" within a week.  They're working from several photos, none of which is perfect, but should be adequate for a talented artist.

Presuming the artwork is up to snuff, what are the options to make the best possible bike-ready transfers?

I shall spare all the details of the bike for the moment.  If others, beside Norris and myself, are interested, I'll happily respond and post a few photos.

Owen "of the Ilk" Wrigley Vienna, VA

--------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2011 16:34:02 +0000 (GMT) From: Hugh Thornton <hughwthornton(AT)yahoo.co.uk> Subject: Re: [CR] Now French bikes with Campagnolo / Mercier / Mercier Decals

What is interesting about Mercier is that whereas their pro-team used Campa= gnolo equipment, very few of their production bikes - if ebay sales are any= thing to go by - were fitted with Campagnolo.=A0 Nearly all the frames that= come onto the market now have Simplex dropouts, until about 1980 when they= switched mostly to Vitus dropouts which will accommodate both Simplex and = Campagnolo gears.

I think, as with Gitane, sponsored amateur teams typically used French equi= pment and it would seem like most of the paying customers did too, judging = by what people are selling now.

Poulidor joined Mercier in 1960, but in years of looking I have not seen a = Campagnolo-equipped Mercier from that era.

Some months ago there was some discussion about Mercier decals and I was ho= ping to get some made, but have been severely delayed for a multitude of reasons.=A0 A= nyway, if you check ebay you will see that cyclomondo has beaten me to it, = producing a set of decals after the style of those fitted to 1977 and later= Service Des Courses frames.=A0 I have yet to order a set, but expect to do= so shortly.

Hugh Thornton
Cheshire, England.