Re: [CR] Was silk/seta tubular ride, now tubulars in the wet

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Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2011 12:14:50 -0500
From: "George Hollenberg" <>
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Subject: Re: [CR] Was silk/seta tubular ride, now tubulars in the wet

God Love You John: It's pretty easy-silk loses about 20% of its strength and a lot of its elasticity when water exposed. Silk actually retains a lot of water. Since a good hand made silk tubie can have more than a Km of silk you're going to end up with a deformed tire and, mostly likely a flat. In wet environments, in order to have the good ride of silk and water resistance too some tubulars are heavily impregnated with chemicals that resist water. On the other hand, for track use where water exposure is unlikely, FMB will make a silk tubular tire with no coating-these are faster and lighter than the chemically impregnated ones. Check on FMB's site for the details. George George Hollenberg MD CT, USA

On Sun, Jan 2, 2011 at 12:04 PM, earle.young <>wrote:
> John,
> You got the right start with " us both a pair of nos Seta Extras.
> You mount yours on Earle built wheels, I'll mount min on Pergo wheels. ...
> "
> But opposite directions? John, I want to ride with you. Riding in company
> is
> a good thing.
> In the rain? What if I am right, and an hour in the rain causes those tires
> to balloon out to 33 millimeters or more? Better to ride them on sunny,
> smooth pavement and keep them for many such rides!
> Beers? Yeah, Baby! Wisconsin has a plethora of rides that go to good
> breweries and/or brew pubs. My local bar 'n' grill serves great burgers,
> the
> best Reuben sandwiches in the city and has a couple of local brews on tap.
> It's also really close to some great riding.
> John, you are welcome any time, even without the silks, as are any CR
> listers.
> Earle "remember the final E" Young
> Madison, Wisconsin
> 8 AM, John <> wrote:
> > Earl,
> > O.K....
> > I think we need to settle this like men;
> > Josh "Cino" Burger gives us both a pair of norubens Seta Extras. You
> mount
> > yours on Earl built wheels, I'll mount mine Pergo wheels. We ride in
> > opposite directions, in the rain, minimum 1 hour. We have a few beers
> and
> > then we measure the tires.
> > Duel?
> > Funny thing is we coulda done that at L'Eroica this year.
> Although
> > it would have been in the same direction and wine. That would be fine
> too!
> > You in Josh?
> > So what were saying is that wet silk expands ALLOT more then wet
> > cotton, aye?
> >
> > enjoy,
> >
> > Johnny Pergolizzi
> > Torino, Italy
> > where the kilometers today were on a the L'Eroica lavender 72 Colnago in
> > pea soup fog.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Jan 2, 2011, at 2:19 PM, earle.young wrote:
> >
> > My one experience with silks in heavy rain contradicts John Pergolizzi.
> On
> >> RAAM 19874 (with fully on-topic equipment), Elaine Mariolle was riding a
> >> pair of well aged Criterium Seta Extra's. In Las Vegas, of all places,
> we
> >> hit rain that was rim-deep all across the road. I had been sleeping when
> we
> >> hit the rain, and she had been riding for an hour or more with the
> tubulars
> >> soaked. When I checked them, they had stretched to the size of del
> Mondos!
> >> That had confirmed the conventional knowledge of the time: Don't ride
> >> silks in the rain.
> >> And then there are the early nylon tires. Even a sprinkle was enough to
> >> make the 230 gram Raleigh/Panasonic nylon tires of the late '70s and
> early
> >> 80's treacherously slippery.
> >>
> >> Earle Young
> >> Madison, Wisconsin
> >> Offering expert wheelbuilding services for classic and modern bicycles