[CR]Perpetual Motion discovered, Re: 1962 Raleigh Gran Sport!

(Example: Framebuilding:Norris Lockley)

From: <Bikerdaver@aol.com>
Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2002 15:03:55 EDT
To: Philcycles@aol.com, classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
Subject: [CR]Perpetual Motion discovered, Re: 1962 Raleigh Gran Sport!

Phil- You put it to the point dead center. No wiggle room there, except of course the perpetual motion machine I invented in my basement. Cheers, Dave in MT

In a message dated 6/2/2002 9:39:03 AM PDT, Philcycles@aol.com writes: a message dated 6/2/02 6:51:54 AM, bikevint@tiac.net writes:

<< Acutally this analysis is not correct - when the frame springs back all the energy that went to move the frame one way moves it back the other - and that movement is augmenting the pedal stroke - energy can't be wasted - it has to be conserved (i.e go somewhere and steel just doesn't dissapate a quanifiable amount of energy as heat from what I understand). Again, we do "waste energy" from extra body movement, but a frame cannot absorb energy in any relevent extent. >>

Sorry, Mike, the frame will never return as much energy as is put into it. Some heat is created by the flex of the frame. How much? One hundreth of a degree? One thousandth? Don't know. But you can never recover all of what you put in or else we'd have perpetual motion.
Phil Brown
NoHo, Ca