Re: [CR]please

(Example: Framebuilders:Brian Baylis)

Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 07:05:52 -0800
From: "John Barry" <usazorro@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [CR]please
To: Classic Rendezvous <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>, Simon P-J <simonpj@mac.com>
In-Reply-To: <C58054D1.566AF%simonpj@mac.com>


Wyndham,

I have a J.A. Holland that John Crump has advised me might have been made in 1952 that has a similar treatment on it's seat stay caps. However, instead of three up, and one across like yours, mine has three up, and three across. I have absolutely no idea if this has any significance or not.

Wishing everyone all the best in the coming New Year,

John Barry
Mechanicsburg, PA, USA


--- On Tue, 12/30/08, Simon P-J wrote:


> From: Simon P-J <simonpj@mac.com>

\r?\n> Subject: [CR]please

\r?\n> To: "Classic Rendezvous" <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>

\r?\n> Date: Tuesday, December 30, 2008, 5:44 PM

\r?\n> I would be grateful for any information about the frames

\r?\n> that Les Ephgrave

\r?\n> built for O'Brien, and also for your advice about an

\r?\n> appropriate

\r?\n> double-chainwheel to fit to this frame.

\r?\n>

\r?\n> A couple of years ago I acquired this frame, believed to be

\r?\n> a 1950's

\r?\n> Ephgrave built O'Brien. (Serial number: HP27 ORO):

\r?\n>

\r?\n> http://www.wooljersey.com/gallery/simonpj/Ephgrave+OBrien+1954/

\r?\n>

\r?\n> It was in a pretty sorry state, but cleaned up quite

\r?\n> nicely. It has

\r?\n> Campagnolo dropouts, and braze-ons for a front derailleur.

\r?\n> I'd like to build

\r?\n> it up BLRC style, and still have to find several parts,

\r?\n> namely: saddle,

\r?\n> seatpost, stem, bars, chain, a nice pair of sprints, a

\r?\n> bar-mounted bottle

\r?\n> set - and a chainset with a double-chainwheel.

\r?\n>

\r?\n> I have tried to fit a Duprat chainset with

\r?\n> double-chainwheel that I have -

\r?\n> and found that the bottom bracket axle which I had bought

\r?\n> as the right

\r?\n> length for a double-chainwheel was too short to clear the

\r?\n> bolts that attach

\r?\n> the double-chainwheel to the crank. What length should I be

\r?\n> looking for to

\r?\n> provide clearance for a double-chainwheel?

\r?\n>

\r?\n> The Duprat chainset and double-chainwheel are steel and

\r?\n> pretty heavy. I'd be

\r?\n> grateful for any recommendations for an appropriate

\r?\n> double-chainwheel for a

\r?\n> mid 50's BLRC-style bike. And tips on how to ensure a

\r?\n> matching BB axle.

\r?\n>

\r?\n> I have posted detailed photos of the frame. I'd

\r?\n> appreciate any thoughts on

\r?\n> any marks of Ephgrave's work. If you look closely at

\r?\n> the photos of the tops

\r?\n> of the seat stays you'll see that gold paint has worn

\r?\n> away from a pattern

\r?\n> which has three vertical lines crossed by one short line.

\r?\n> Is this an O'Brien

\r?\n> mark - or Ephgrave? - or one used by several builders?

\r?\n>

\r?\n> All the best for the New Year,

\r?\n>

\r?\n> Wyndham Pulman-Jones

\r?\n> Girton, Cambs., UK.