Re: [CR] Fixed Gear with No Brakes

(Example: Framebuilding)

Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 15:38:16 -0700
From: <mrrabbit@mrrabbit.net>
To: Hilary Stone <hilary.stone@blueyonder.co.uk>
References: <515757.64687.qm@web82205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4AE8AFF3.6010806@blueyonder.co.uk>
In-Reply-To: <4AE8AFF3.6010806@blueyonder.co.uk>
Cc: Jerome & Elizabeth Moos <jerrymoos@sbcglobal.net>, classicrendezvous@bikelist.org, Blake Godwin <saveyourgeneration@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [CR] Fixed Gear with No Brakes


OFF TOPIC

Robert Shackelford San Jose, CA USA

Quoting Hilary Stone <hilary.stone@blueyonder.co.uk>:
> The law in Britain relating to pedal cycles simply states you must have
> independent methods of braking the cycle - a fixed wheel and a brake
> (front or rear) is enough to satisfy the law. However the law is not
> enforced at present.
>
> However what is important about having a front brake is that the grip of
> a front wheel is much higher than a rear wheel so the stopping distance
> will be shorter...
>
> Hilary Stone, Bristol, British Isles
>
> Jerome & Elizabeth Moos wrote:
> > There are obviously lots of techniques for riding fixed gear without
> brakes, but IMHO all of them are dangerous. UK and evidently a number of
> European nations had/have laws requiring bicycle brakes, in the case of fixed
> gear generally requiring a front brake, as well as laws requiring lights for
> night riding. These laws are both sensible and fair. And in UK, at least,
> it seems these laws are enforced, or at least were In The Day.
> >
> > I'd hestitate to advocate similar laws in the US only because I know full
> well they would virtually never be enforced here. Most of the American
> public, including most police officers, still do not take cycling seriously
> as an important means of transportation. Thus the only way most policemen
> will ticket a cyclist for riding without brakes or lights would be if the
> cyclist annoyed the policeman by cutting in front of his squad car. Plus,
> many US states, including Texas where I live, have even repealed laws which
> once required motorcycle helmets, even more essential than bicycle helmets
> due to the higher speeds. So when it comes to safety for any vehicle with
> less than four wheels, we evidently are determined to remain a lawless
> society. But that doesn't make our attitude intelligent or reasonable. You
> won't catch me riding without brakes, or at night without lights.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Jerry Moos
> > Big Spring, Texas, USA
> >
> >
> >
> > --- On Wed, 10/28/09, Blake Godwin <saveyourgeneration@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> From: Blake Godwin <saveyourgeneration@gmail.com>
> >> Subject: Re: [CR] Classicrendezvous Digest, Vol 82, Issue 156
> >> To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
> >> Date: Wednesday, October 28, 2009, 9:53 AM
> >> Dear Tom,
> >>
> >> A trick that I learned very early is attributed to a local
> >> named Ted Shred.
> >> He simply lifts his foot off the pedal and places it on
> >> the top of the back
> >> tire. Did I mention that he rides a single speed
> >> freewheel, brakeless?
> >>
> >> You can check out a clip of him and his method here:
> >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OH5W1Z23wPg
> >>
> >> I'm sure this will draw many cries of foolishness amongst
> >> the members of
> >> this list(many of whom seem to have quite an issue with
> >> riding fixed and
> >> brakeless), and in no way do I myself condone riding like
> >> this, however it
> >> is an effective way to stop should your chain break.
> >>
> >> Sincerely,
> >>
> >> Blake Godwin
> >> San Francisco, CA USA
> >>
> >>
> >>> Message: 9
> >>> Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 09:35:36 -0400
> >>> From: Tom Sanders <tom@orderandchaos.com>
> >>> Subject: [CR] Safety on brakeless bikes
> >>> To: <Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> >>> Message-ID:
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> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
> >>>
> >>> My good friend Gabriel Romeu in an off line
> >> communicated raised an issue I
> >>> haven't thought of about brakeless bikes and I thought
> >> I'd bring it up
> >>> here.
> >>> He suggests that a rider skidding his rear wheel might
> >> have a chain brake
> >>> and go sailing through a busy intersection and may not
> >> be willing to do
> >>> very
> >>> much such skidding anyway because of the likelyhood of
> >> ruining an expensive
> >>> tire. I have never had a chain fail and I am
> >> wondering on just how likely
> >>> this might be. I feel it is really a powerful
> >> argument for having brakes
> >>> on
> >>> a fixed gear bike (Mine has two). If this is all
> >> too off topic for
> >>> discussion, I'm sure Dale will let me know.he is not
> >> shy, I find.
> >>> Tom Sanders
> >>>
> >>> Lansing, MI USA
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
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