Re: [CR]The Beginning of a Rennaissance


Example: Framebuilding:Norris Lockley

From: "Jerry & Liz Moos" <jerrymoos@sbcglobal.net>
To: <chuckschmidt@earthlink.net>, <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
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Subject: Re: [CR]The Beginning of a Rennaissance
Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 22:09:12 -0600


Actually not, the company car I gave up when changing jobs, a Chrysler Town & Country minivan, must have weighed twice as much as the Mazda Miata I'm driving now. On the other hand, the custom Arthur Caygill audex frame I just received will probably build up into a bike of 25 lb or less, even with racks and lights, versus the lightest racing bike I own, a Teledyne Titan with Suntour Cyclone and similar, probably about 19 lbs. The performance of a top audex/touring bike is MUCH closer to a race bike than is an SUV to a sports car. I'd say the appropriate analogy is that a top audex/touring bike is like a Subaru MRX Rally model versus a racing bike which is analogous to a sports car. A Rally car may not match a sports car on a smooth paved closed track, but is is definitely high performance, and more versatile, as is a quality audex/touring frame. One of the things I've come to appreciate in the last few years is just how anal the obsession with an ounce or two of weight and a degree or two of frame angle really is.

Regards,

Jerry Moos


----- Original Message -----
From: "Chuck Schmidt"
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Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 8:26 PM
Subject: Re: [CR]The Beginning of a Rennaissance



>
>
> Jerry & Liz Moos wrote:
> >
> > I think it is no surprise that lugged steel frame customer like longer stays
> > and eylets. I think the people who can see the advantage of lugged steel
> > frames are also those who have outgrown the adolescent fantasies of winning
> > the Tour de France and looked realistically at the type of riding they
> > really do. The truth is most of us do riding which is more like touring
> > than racing, and versatility is a lot more important than shaving a few
> > grams by omitting eyelets. I've seen this change in list members in the
> > several years I've been here, including in myself and in those like Mike
> > Kone, who has discovered the virtues of wider tires in recent years. I
> > think we've come to appreciate that a top quality "touring" frame can still
> > give a very lively and responsive ride, although many of us still have more
> > specialized road racing or track frames. The Japanese collectors, who in
> > many ways are ahead of the US in their appreciation of classic bikes, have
> > long had a preference for touring models.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Jerry Moos
>
>
> Not to step on any toes here, but guys on touring bikes that aren't
> touring (bags, racks, sleeping bags, tents etc. straped to their bikes)
> strike me as the poseur Dudes who drive SUVs and Range Rovers on the freeway...
>
> (THIS IS SIPPOSED TO BE A JOKE, OK???)
>
> Chuck Schmidt
> SoCal Dude