Re: [CR]Re: Cinellii status


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From: "James A Narlesky" <jim@alandavid.com>
To: "kevin gosney" <kevingosney10@hotmail.com>, <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
References: <F156eIiGXix4A2DreBB0001fa22@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [CR]Re: Cinellii status
Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 08:44:53 -0800


Kevin,

Bill Bryant has answered most of your questions as well as anyone could have with the exception of Spence or Lillian Wolfe themselves. I do have one(1) thing to add with respect to the down tube decals. Before the American framebuilders and master painters had perfected decaling, there was the Spence method. It was as follows: Carefully apply the waterslide decals on the frame and cover with a coat clear spar varnish applied with a soft brush. I followed these directions and in my opinion it worked out quite well on my bike. This process took a long time however, you might want to try a more modern approach. I don't even think that Spence charged for the downtube decals in '71. His main concern was twofold 1) initial application at the factory was not up to his standards, and 2) damage from shipment(seems that frames were not protected as well as they are now days). It is no surprise that Spence didn't do this as the time involved was disproportionate to what he could have charged. Bill's suggestion of the Spence wrap for the handlebars is also good for your restoration. It is light and comfortable. Have fun with your project!

Regards,

Jim Narlesky
San Jose, CA


----- Original Message -----
From: kevin gosney
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Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2002 8:28 PM
Subject: [CR]Re: Cinellii status



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> Listmembers,
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> I'm soliciting your thoughts on how to "finish" my red '73 Cinelli Special Corsa, serial #1748. It is as original now as the day it was purchased from Spence Wolf's Cupertino Bike Shop on September 6, 1973 (thanks Vance). So what's the problem you ask? I understand that Spence had an issue with how Cinelli packed their frames for shipping, therefore he specified no downtube decals be applied at the factory . ergo, this beauty has no downtube decals. The original buyer requested an Avocet Racing II saddle, Phil bottom bracket and thin foam Grab-On handlebar wrap. Fortunately the original owner also bought a Campy bbkt and Cinelli #2 saddle along with the bike, these I have,both NOS/NIP. So your thoughts: have dt decals applied and change out the saddle, bbkt and handlebar wrap, or leave as Spence and the original buyer intended?
> cool, drizzle in P-Town
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> Kevin
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> &gt;Subject: Re: [CR]quinn on eBay
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> &gt;Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 11:47:05 -0500
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> &gt;Steve,
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> &gt;I bet your saddle sores come from your period correct Professional saddle
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> &gt;vs. the B17's I ride. For many of us I think Grant P. is correct, the B17
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> &gt;If you are racing/training maybe the Professional's narrower shape is
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> &gt;Subject: [CR]Cosmetically sympathetic wheel components
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> &gt;Spokes: Wheelsmith butted have a sharper transition between butt and =
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> &gt;From: Lee Berg
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> &gt;Subject: [CR]Ideale Mod. 80 and 90: Brooks equivalents?
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> &gt;In terms of size and shape, what are the closest Brooks equivalents to
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> &gt;Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 12:45:35 -0500
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> &gt;Subject: [CR]Forgot to Change subject line to Brooks Saddle comfort
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> &gt; &gt; Steve,
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> &gt; &gt; I bet your saddle sores come from your period correct Professional saddle
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> &gt; &gt; vs. the B17's I ride. For many of us I think Grant P. is correct, the B17
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> &gt; &gt; is more comfortable.
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> &gt; &gt; If you are racing/training maybe the Professional's narrower shape is
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> &gt; &gt; better; I was never a racer so I don't know.
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> &gt; &gt; Mike Self
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> &gt; &gt; Cincinnati, OH
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> &gt; &gt; Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2002 9:20 PM
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> &gt;From: "Sarah Gibson"
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> &gt;Subject: Re: [CR]Re: cyclocross
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> &gt;Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 17:55:21
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> &gt; &gt;From: "Sarah Gibson"
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> &gt; &gt;To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
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> &gt; &gt;Subject: [CR]Re: cyclocross
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> &gt; &gt;Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 15:59:55
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> &gt; &gt;hi all
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> &gt; &gt;it's hard to tell exactly what the bikes are outfitted with but the photos
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> &gt; &gt;are fun to check out, nontheless.
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> &gt; &gt;http://www.oldtowncyclery.com/index2.htm
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> &gt; &gt;have fun. and if you have any to add i would be most interested. thanks
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> &gt;From: "Alan"
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> &gt;Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 09:43:50 -0800
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> &gt;Subject: [CR]RE: The color of a Bianchi Specialissima
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> &gt;Mark (and others)
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> &gt;Remember the brown metallic 1964 "competizione" that was for sale at last
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> &gt;spring's Great Western Bike Rally? In my size BTW - another one I let slip
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> &gt;through my fingers!
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> &gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;I have always thought that the Specialissima and the Competizione came in
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> &gt;the same colors, which I believe, but can not prove, were black, white,
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> &gt;celeste, and candy-blue, -red, &amp; -green.&lt;&lt;&lt;
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> &gt;From: OROBOYZ@aol.com
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> &gt;Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 13:07:57 EST
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> &gt;To: Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
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> &gt;Subject: [CR]San Antonio tomorrow...
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> &gt;I am making a last minute dash out to BREC (Bicycle Retailers Education
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> &gt;I will have a day to fiddle around and of course would like to visit some
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> &gt;Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 10:12:35 -0800 (PST)
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> &gt;From: Fred Rafael Rednor
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> &gt;Reply-To: fred_rednor@yahoo.com
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> &gt;Subject: Re: [CR]Herse on Ebay
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> &gt;To: Takao Noda
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> &gt; &gt; I have heard that Japanese collectors cannot very
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> &gt; &gt; proudly show off their bikes which they couldn't
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> &gt; &gt; ride beautifully , even if they seldom ride them.
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> &gt;Is it likely that he would bring the frame to a Japanese
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> &gt;builder and have a "duplicate" made in a smaller size?
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> &gt;Of course the decals wouldn't say Rene Herse"...
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> &gt;From: Philcycles@aol.com
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> &gt;Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 13:14:43 EST
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> &gt;Subject: Re: [CR]RE: The color of a Bianchi Specialissima
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> &gt;To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
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> &gt;In a message dated 1/30/02 10:01:46 AM, alan@co-motion.com writes:
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> &gt;&lt;&lt; Remember the brown metallic 1964 "competizione" that was for sale at last
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> &gt;spring's Great Western Bike Rally? In my size BTW - another one I let slip
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> &gt;through my fingers!
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> &gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;I have always thought that the Specialissima and the Competizione came in
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> &gt;the same colors, which I believe, but can not prove, were black, white,
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> &gt;celeste, and candy-blue, -red, &amp; -green.&lt;&lt;&lt;
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> &gt;I've seen brown, bright green, red and Celeste.
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> &gt;Phil Brown
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> &gt;From: "Ray Coffey"
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> &gt;To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
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> &gt;Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 13:20:31 -0500
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> &gt;Subject: [CR]wool jerseys on eBay
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> &gt;Casati size medium jersey: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&amp;item=1801916883
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> &gt;Lambertini jersey with front pockets(!), size medium: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&amp;item=1801722110
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> &gt;No connection to sellers, too small for me, thought they were nifty.
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> &gt;Ray Coffey
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