Wow, I haven't seen such venom on the CR list since last time we talked about this subject. Obvious to me that Mark may have the legal high ground here even if some people don't want to grant him the moral high ground. You certainly have to give him credit for being smart enough to figure it out, even if you don't like the outcome. Seems that isn't the issue right now, only whether he has owned up properly to the "paper trail" of how he ended up with the legal name to use Hetchins in the first place. Not my area to judge, but in the spirit of our (that's U.S.A. guys/gals) national holiday tomorrow, I'm just thankful that we still have bicycle frames being made in the "old style" with Hetchins decals and I'm not going to worry too much about who owns the rights to it. The buyer can surely make the decision of which Hetchins to purchase, even if the differences do make things somewhat difficult. Hey, I've even seen a Hetchins replica made in Southern California!! I'm sure that had the CR list been around in the late 70s, early 80s, we'd be taking sides over the use of the Masi decals too. Happy Thanksgiving all, Lou Deeter, Orlando FL