Re: [CR]Fiorelli track bike on eBay

Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 15:19:55 -0800
Subject: Re: [CR]Fiorelli track bike on eBay
From: Brandon Ives <>
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On Saturday, March 15, 2003, at 02:31 PM, wrote:
> With all due respect, I must object. I think it's commonly known that
> European bikes of the 50's, 60's, and probably '70's and even later,
> tended
> to have finish qualities that were sometimes crude.

Of the hundreds of track bikes I've seen only few have totally unfinished dropouts as these ones are. It would take less than 10 minutes to finish the dropouts both front and rear, is this too much to ask? Plus most of the British, French, and Italian builders that I've ever seen would say this dropout treatment (or non-treatment as the case might be) looks cobbly. If you think it was common for dropouts to be unfinished like this please provide some pictures or links to pictures.
> My first Colnago was pinned and cold-set.

I said nothing about the lugs, alignment, or building technique in specific. I talked about the dropouts alone and that would make me question the rest of the build.
> Additionally, I don't think we have any idea where this particular
> bike might
> have fit into the builder's price scale, or maybe it was an overnight
> rush
> job for a special event.

So if what you say is true here than I'm 100% correct in my observation, right? I said it looks like the bike was rushed, you say the bike could have been rushed. Even Chuck who brought the bike to the list's attention sees something a bit off about the dropouts.
> I found the comments uncalled-for.

Why is it that we can be critical of other bikes presented on Ebay like Ken Denny's last week, but my comments are "uncalled-for." This is something done quite regularly on the list so please explain your objection in this case further? Are you the seller or have something to gain from from the auction? thanks, Brandon"monkeyman"Ives Calls them as he sees 'em in Santa Barbara, Calif.