Re: [CR]..was Phillips True Temper..NOW Flying the Flag for Raleigh

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Date: Sun, 01 Feb 2004 10:44:06 -0500
From: Joe Bender-Zanoni <>
Subject: Re: [CR]..was Phillips True Temper..NOW Flying the Flag for Raleigh
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I'll side with Chuck. Mass awareness of Campagnolo components had be strongly influenced by Schwinn Paramounts and the millions of Paramount brochures.

In the early 1960's racing was a very marginal sport in the US, at least here in the east coast. Small enclaves knew of Cinelli (Kopp's Cycles), Frejus (Tommy Avenia) and Alvin Drysdale. In the know racers went and plunked down their money for Campagnolo equipped bikes. Starting in 1972 I used to race with older guys who had Campagnolo equipped bikes like these from say 1962. But this was inside knowledge and even among racers a full Campagnolo equipped bike was mostly a goal- not just something you went out and bought.

For the masses, the Schwinn catalog was on every dealers counter- and free! Raleigh really didn't have a lightweight presence or solid US marketing plan until after the Carlton purchase.

Joe Bender-Zanoni
Great Notch, NJ

----- Original Message -----
From: "Chuck Schmidt"
Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2004 12:30 AM
Subject: Re: [CR]..was Phillips True Temper..NOW Flying the Flag for Raleigh

> jerrymoos wrote:
> >
> > (cut) Hundreds of thousands of
> > Raleighs were bought by Americans who never heard of a Masi or Cinelli.
> > Many of these are still in the garages of the now 50ish owners who still
> > have never heard of a Masi. (cut)
> (cut)
> > I lusted after a mink blue and silver Raleigh Professional Mk IV with
> > Brampton fastback stays for 30 years. After finally acquiring one from list
> > member John Pergolizzi shortly before Christmas, I wouldn't trade it for any
> > Masi or Cinelli on the planet.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Jerry "We don't need no stinking Masis" Moos
> > Houston, TX
> Jerry, to state the obvious... Raleigh made hundreds of thousands of
> bikes every year, and Masi made what a year... a few hundred??? And
> Cinelli even less?
> I'd say that you'd have to be pretty damned serious about bikes to know
> about either Masi or Cinelli in the 60s or early 70s, right?
> Peter's belief was that Raleigh introduced America to Campagnolo
> equipment. It is my belief that Schwinn dealers had more to do with
> this than Raleigh did. I don't understand where Masi and Cinelli fit
> into this at all. Explanation?
> Chuck Schmidt
> South Pasadena, Southern California


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