Re: [CR]eBay outing - 1972 Colnago Super

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From: "Angel Garcia" <>
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Subject: Re: [CR]eBay outing - 1972 Colnago Super
Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2004 00:03:38 -0500

I have a nearly identical Colnago. Mine was purchased in Germany in January, 1976. Of course, it's not known how long it was in the window at the time of purchase but Colnago analyzed photos I sent them and they thought it was a 1973 or 1974. Mine is an unbuilt frame and fork in Molteni orange; even the same size as Ray's. These are some of the identical, and different features, I noted between mine and Ray Robbins:

1) headtube and seat tube decals are same (mine are black with a yet lighter orange outline) as are the lugs 2) the world championship bands are the same 3) my Columbus decal is different; it says Tubi Rinforzati Garantiti on one line above the red oval; Acciao Speciali with oval in between those words; the word Columbus below the oval. It's style appears to me to be more modern than that of Ray's bike. 4) The shape of the bottom of the club on my downtube lug is exactly the same shape is that of the ones on the fork; it has a slight curvature (downward). On Ray's, that lug has a straight bottom (which is different from the fork). Perhaps this is just an inconsistency in the creation rather than an indication of year. 5) Mine has clubs in the fork tangs (did not see a photo of Ray's in this area) 6) Mine has the #16. In the past I have discussed these numbers with e-richie and he didn't think they were a serial number. What do they mean?

Angel Garcia Long Valley, NJ

> >Additionally, I would have thought that a 72 would have had a clover cut-out
> >in the top head-lug, along with two small dots either side of the fork crown.
> >All of that may well be answered simply by referring to Colnago's famous
> >inconsistency.
> Yes, I agree. Frame details seem inconsistent with my limited
> experience with 1972 Supers.
> I own a 1972 and have sold a 1972 frame that was too large for me,
> and in both cases, it did have clover cut outs on the headtube and
> downtube lugs, as well as the two dots on each side of the outside
> fork crown. So...I'd venture to say this is a 1973 or 74. Just my
> very humble opinion.
> Charles Andrews - what you say?
> -Dan Borden in Brookline, MA

AND snip
> The seat-tube-badge decal is interesting. It appears to be one
> of those reverse-image graphics that Brian Baylis has mentioned
> a couple of times. The outline is supposed to be black, but the decal
> may have been applied on the wrong side, or the decal itself was
> printed incorrectly. Nothing wrong with that at all, actually adds to
> the coolness factor, imho.
> I'll be curious to see how this auction goes.
> Charles "really, really, really glad it's too big for me" Andrews
> SoCal