Re: [CR]ebay outing: gios super record..sad

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Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 10:09:50 -0500
From: Marcus Coles <>
Subject: Re: [CR]ebay outing: gios super record..sad
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Chuck Schmidt wrote:
>The reality is that the parts taken off the '78 Gios in question were
>added by the original buyer of the frame. (Example: Do you think a
>180mm crank with 53/45 chainrings is stock? And it came with a Nuovo
>Record rear derailleur?)
>The parts aren't anything out of the ordinary and are on eBay week in
>and week out. And the eBay prices for late 1970s Campagnolo parts are
>way, WAY lower than their modern equivalents. And I'd be willing to
>wager that I could gather all the parts for the Gios in under two weeks, tops!
> I must concede the above points.

>And the Gios being the equivalent of any, ANY of the KoF bikes built
>nowadays??? The Gios is not even in the same universe as any of today's
>lugged steel frame builders. Yes they have waiting lists; if they
>didn't, they wouldn't be special then would they?

I don't believe At any time I stated that the Gios was the equivalent of a modern Made in USA, KOF frame.

You were the one who brought up the KOF substitution and I quote:

"Better to have a KoF new lugged steel frame made and outfitted with current state-of-the-art parts than to bastardize a '78 GIOS with modern components in my opinion."

And I replied

"All moral problems aside, building it with off the shelf modern Campagnolo parts would give one an Italian lugged steel bike with most of the modern conveniences for a fraction of the price of a new KOF bike and with none of the wait."

If the frame ends up costing $400 and gets a nice shiny new Veloce build (I know it's not Record, but it's not made of woven pencil leads and plastic resin) for maybe ~$1000 A cheaper and quicker (wait wise) alternative to a KOF framed bike, a lugged steel frame bike for the price of a new Chinese welded beer can bike. Bastardization, but of a frame that was, as you point out, intended to have whatever components the owner desired to hang off it, perhaps it maintains more of the original spirit by having the new owner hang whatever he wants off it, rather than having it frozen in time. :-)

Marcus Coles
London, ON, Canada