Re: [CR] Confente Lugs and BB -+ GF + =Swiss BB George Fisher


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Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 15:10:46 -0700
From: Angel Garcia <veronaman@gmail.com>
To: Craig <cgallegro@charter.net>
Subject: Re: [CR] Confente Lugs and BB -+ GF + =Swiss BB George Fisher
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cc: CLASSIC RENDEZVOUS <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>

My 1970 Cinelli has a GF (George Fisher) BB (that happens to be drilled out by Cinelli no less). Ciao, Angel Garcia Verona, Italy

On 10/14/05, Craig <cgallegro@charter.net> wrote:
>
> Hi, I believe +GF+ was George Fisher swiss BB. Excellent cast BB, used on
> many top Swiss bikes in the 1950-60's.
>
> Craig 'Allegro +GF+ BB' Griffith
> San Luis Obispo, Ca.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Raymond Dobbins" <raydobbins2003@yahoo.com>
> To: "John Jorgensen" <designzero@earthlink.net>;
> <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Sent: Friday, October 14, 2005 11:46 AM
> Subject: Re: [CR] Confente Lugs and BB - PHOTOS
>
>
> > for those who are interested in seeing pretty good photos of the
> > confente-designed lugs, on a 1984 medici pro-strada, head over to:
> >
> > http://www.raydobbins.com/medici
> >
> > ray dobbins
> > miami florida
> >
> > --- John Jorgensen <designzero@earthlink.net> wrote:
> >
> > > Greg wrote regarding the solid seat lug ears on the Confente
> > > frames...
> > >
> > > Yep, the binder bolt area looks solid (no open space), so it must be
> > > investment cast. BB shell is a Gargatte I believe ("+GF+" markings),
> > > fork
> > > crown looks to be maybe IC too? Who cast the lugs? Microfusione?
> > >
> > > Greg- Mario while at Masi was working with Microfusione regarding IC
> > > lugs for them.
> > >
> > > Solid Seat lug ears on an Italian bike have nothing significant to
> > > say IC, Got to see the work of Masi in the raw pre IC lugs
> > > both from here and Italy, a section of tubing was brazed into the lug
> > > ear section, voids filled with brass, then sculpted back,
> > > when I saw the process , I thought wow, that is labor intensive!
> > >
> > > Mario used the same BB & fork crown as he had used at Masi. just a
> > > lot of filing & machining.
> > >
> > > I know his early frames used Bocama lugs, would love to see the very
> > > early and very late to compare.. Best chance to get them
> > > together at one time...'06 Cirque theme? Or, best at VR6 perhaps.
> > >
> > > My '68 Foirelli Coppi has these solid ears, as do many other Italian
> > > bike of the period and prior.
> > >
> > > John Jorgensen
> > > Palos Verdes Ca
> > >
> > > Where a big box from Italy just arrived...