RE: [CR]re: painting a second color on a frame..- and Vintage ride


From: "Roman Stankus" <rstankus@mindspring.com>
To: <BobHoveyGa@aol.com>, <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
Subject: RE: [CR]re: painting a second color on a frame..- and Vintage ride
Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 07:51:56 -0500
In-Reply-To: <26e.19aeaa.30b35172@aol.com>
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Even from a design standpoint, I can see where either approach may be suitable and appropriate depending on the style of and the way the lugs were filed.

As far as window trim goes I agree with you.

This thread started a while ago and IIRC, there was mention of the original Waterford frame in question having polished stainless steel lugs. I don't know that there would be any practical way of polishing the edges of the lugs and it seems there could be some silver on the edges as well - in that case, it would seem prudent to paint the lug edges from a design and technical point of view.

On another note completely, on the last ride/gathering of vintage/KOF enthusiasts in Atlanta this past Sunday, Rob Weaver (not a CR member) showed up with his recently completed Weigle frame and showed off his new bike and then we all went for a 25 miler. It was the maiden voyage of the new bike. The frame was a very pretty medium green and featured Peter's new religion/old religion frainch(southern pronunciation) rondonneur(sp?) geometry and most beautifully shaped and thinned lug work. We had a great time discussing the quirks of the finest KOF builders and the way they sweat the details. For instance - it took Peter 6 months just to pick the color(wink)! Any how, Rob loves his new bike and the way it rides and Nick Z., Taz T. and I had a great time seeing some beautiful work! Peter will this get me a spot in line? BTW, if you go to the Pacenti website, you will see some of Peter's 2 color bikes painted as Doug F. prefers. (Just fanning the flames)

Roman Stankus Atlanta, Ga.

-----Original Message----- From: classicrendezvous-bounces@bikelist.org [mailto:classicrendezvous-bounces@bikelist.org] On Behalf Of BobHoveyGa@aol.com Sent: Monday, November 21, 2005 11:36 AM To: classicrendezvous@bikelist.org Subject: [CR]re: painting a second color on a frame..

Doug wrote:
> I paint it this way because it is the look I like the best.  I would hope that the dominate opinions of this elite list would allow that where a 2nd color transitions is a matter of personal taste rather than a best/poor way of doing it.

Doug;

You're a great painter and I love talking up your work to almost everyone I meet, so my opinion is not in anyway intended to be a criticism of your incredible painting skills. But I'm with Charles and Jamie... for me it' s not just a matter of personal taste, I think there is a logical reason supported by principles of good design. A bike is composed of parts... the lug is a

discreet part and the head tube is a discreet part. Logically it makes mor e sense and visually it just looks better to have each part painted its own color.

The final effect is volumetric... i.e., it emphasizes the complete form of e ach structure. On the other hand, painting just the surface of the lug shifts the emphasis to the skin-like structure of the coat of paint itself. To me , this is a distraction from the overall form of the bike.

I've seen house painters wrestle with the same problem when painting clapboard houses... where the clapboards run into the vertical trim at the c orners of the house and door/window moldings, common practice is to paint up the edge because stopping at the zigzag line formed by the ends of the clapboards is far more time consuming. But some painters will go to the extra trouble, leavi ng the sides of moldings the same color as their surfaces... and it always look s nicer.

Bob Hovey
Columbus, GA