Re: [CR]was French tubes...now Italian on French bikes

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From: <rodk3d@comcast.net>
To: Nick Zatezalo <nickzz@mindspring.com>, Jerome & Elizabeth Moos <jerrymoos@sbcglobal.net>, Tom Sanders <tsan7759142@sbcglobal.net>, classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
Subject: Re: [CR]was French tubes...now Italian on French bikes
Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 20:24:37 +0000


What else besides Campy would be appropriate for say a Motobecane Team Champion Nick? Maybe all French for a touring bike, but for the racers in the bunch it's gotta be Campy doesn't it? I used to have a '86 PX that all Mavic and it was way cool, but Mavic components are fairly hard to come by and pricey.

cheers,
Rod Kronenberg
Fort Collins, CO


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From: Nick Zatezalo

> Why would any one want to place Italian components on a French bicycle?

\r?\n> I have owned 30-40 Italian bicycles and never once thought of using French

\r?\n> components on any of them. My one French bicycle was equipped with all

\r?\n> French components. Just wondering.

\r?\n>

\r?\n> Nick Zatezalo

\r?\n> Atlanta,Ga.

\r?\n>

\r?\n> -----Original Message-----

\r?\n> >From: Jerome & Elizabeth Moos

\r?\n> >Sent: Jan 10, 2006 3:09 PM

\r?\n> >To: Tom Sanders , classicrendezvous@bikelist.org

\r?\n> >Subject: Re: [CR]French tubes...was top tube cable clips

\r?\n> >

\r?\n> >Mais non, mon ami. French downtube and seattube were smaller, 28mm vs 28.6mm

\r?\n> (1 1/8"), but the toptube was larger, 26mm vs 25.4mm (1"). Sheldon's site gives

\r?\n> an excellent summary of French bike dimensions (both frames and components)

\r?\n> versus English/ISO. One usually first discovers the larger toptube when one

\r?\n> tries to install Campy cable clips on a French bike. You can usually make them

\r?\n> fit, but only with great effort.

\r?\n> >

\r?\n> > Regards,

\r?\n> >

\r?\n> > Jerry Moos

\r?\n> > Big Spring, TX

\r?\n> >

\r?\n> >Tom Sanders wrote:

\r?\n> > Jerry Moos wrote : "Did Campy ever make

\r?\n> >

\r?\n> >> clips with longer screws for use on French bikes?"

\r?\n> >

\r?\n> >I thought the reason Campagnolo made those crescent shaped shims to go under

\r?\n> >clamp on components was because French tubes were smaller...Am I mistaken on

\r?\n> >this? Perhaps one of the lists Francophiles can illuminate the subject a

\r?\n> >bit?

\r?\n> >

\r?\n> >Tom Sanders

\r?\n> >

\r?\n> >No French bikes in Lansing, Mi