At 12:23 AM 19/12/2007 -0000, Peter Brown wrote:
>Now that the auction has finished, here is my answer to Johns
>question
>about the originality of the bike:
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>If it is 1952 it should be described as a NEW Allrounder
Yes, that's what it says in the 1951 catalogue scan you sent me a while
back. I never knew when the Allrounder became a New Allrounder. I thought
it was '53 but I guess I'm wrong. I believe the lug pattern of the Avant
Coureur was inherited by the New Allrounder when the AC got Nervex style
bilaminated "lugs".
>Frame sizes offered were not in ½ steps, only 21, 22, 23,
>and 24, and
>the top tube should be 22½ long
I think mine was described as 22-1/2" or 22-1/4", but can't remember for sure. These measurements are, of course, taken the standard British way, to the top of the seat lug. I'm positive my '53 had a conventional seat lug clamp, not the external clamp on an extended seat tube. I would presume frames with the external clamp were measured to a point level with the top of the top tube. Incidentally, the 1951 "Allrounder" frame I got from Hilary measures 22-1/4" to the top of the seat tube extension and 21-1/2" to the top of the top tube.
>531 transfer is not period
Should it be '531' TUBING instead of 531 FRAME TUBES? I know my '53 had one or the other, but I can't remember which.
>A 1952 Brooks saddle should have an oval logo.
True. Also, my '53 had a B15, not the B17 I've seen in catalogues on the web.
John Betmanis
Woodstock, Ontario
Canada