Re: [CR]If only I had the correct bike to put this #13 on...


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Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 12:31:10 +0000 (GMT)
From: gholl@optonline.net
Subject: Re: [CR]If only I had the correct bike to put this #13 on...
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To: Phil Sieg <triodelover@comcast.net>
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cc: Classic Rendezvous <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>

I know nothing about this item or the seller and don't want to comment
   on them. But Steven Maasland is very right when he implies that corre ct description is extremely important in vintage items such as this puta tive Bartali racer's number. "Mistaken" and "misspelled" descriptions are common in art marke t frauds. There is a world of difference between Bartali ( a great ra cer) and Bartoli (an olive oil). Such "errors" are usually meant to deceive. Buyer beware! George Hollenberg MD Westport, CT, USA


----- Original Message -----
From: Phil Sieg


Date: Thursday, August 16, 2007 6:22 am Subject: Re: [CR]If only I had the correct bike to put this #1 3 on... To: The Maaslands

Cc: CR


> It would have helped if he had spelled Gino's name correctly in
> the
> auction heading. Or perhaps this is the number worn by Cecilia
> Bart*o*li for her last tour?
>
> Phil Sieg
> Knoxville, Tennessee
> USA
>
> The Maaslands wrote:
> > Tam outed the following auction:
> >
> > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item= 190141665316
> >
> > For those of you that are new to the Ebay game, the seller
> Cheapcampy,
> > David, has been selling vintage cycling components and bikes
> for quite
> > some time. While he has sold some very interesting items that
> have sold
> > for very interesting prices, he also has a long history of
> utterly false
> > and misleading auctions and descriptions. This auction is
> another such
> > example. In 1954, no Italian took part in the Tour, so for the
> number to
> > have been Bartali's in that edition is patently false. In
> 1953, the year
> > of the last participation of Bartali in the Tour, he wore N°


> 3. In
> > 1954, number 13 was worn by the Dutchman Jan Nolten.
> >
> > I wouldn't go anywhere near any of David's auctions unless y ou
> are very
> > knowledgeable about the item up for sale. If you are
> knowledgeable, you
> > can often get a deal but otherwise you risk being burned big tim e.
> >
> > Steven Maasland
> > Moorestown, NJ
> > USA