Re: [CR]If only I had the correct bike to put this #13 on...

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Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 08:44:57 -0400
From: "Phil Sieg" <triodelover@comcast.net>
To: gholl@optonline.net
Subject: Re: [CR]If only I had the correct bike to put this #13 on...
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cc: Classic Rendezvous <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>

And an even greater world of difference between an olive oil and a world-renowned mezzo <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cecilia_Bartoli>.

Phil Sieg Knoxville, Tennessee USA

gholl@optonline.net wrote:
> I know nothing about this item or the seller and don't want to comment
> on them. But Steven Maasland is very right when he implies that
> correct description is extremely important in vintage items such as
> this putative Bartali racer's number.
> "Mistaken" and "misspelled" descriptions are common in art market
> frauds. There is a world of difference between Bartali ( a great
> racer) and Bartoli (an olive oil).
> Such "errors" are usually meant to deceive. Buyer beware!
> George Hollenberg MD
> Westport, CT, USA
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Phil Sieg
> Date: Thursday, August 16, 2007 6:22 am
> Subject: Re: [CR]If only I had the correct bike to put this #13 on...
> To: The Maaslands
> Cc: CR
>
> > It would have helped if he had spelled Gino's name correctly in
> > the
> > auction heading. Or perhaps this is the number worn by Cecilia
> > Bart*o*li for her last tour?
> >
> > Phil Sieg
> > Knoxville, Tennessee
> > USA
> >
> > The Maaslands wrote:
> > > Tam outed the following auction:
> > >
> > > http://ebay.com/<blah>
> > >
> > > For those of you that are new to the Ebay game, the seller
> > Cheapcampy,
> > > David, has been selling vintage cycling components and bikes
> > for quite
> > > some time. While he has sold some very interesting items that
> > have sold
> > > for very interesting prices, he also has a long history of
> > utterly false
> > > and misleading auctions and descriptions. This auction is
> > another such
> > > example. In 1954, no Italian took part in the Tour, so for the
> > number to
> > > have been Bartali's in that edition is patently false. In
> > 1953, the year
> > > of the last participation of Bartali in the Tour, he wore N°
> > 3. In
> > > 1954, number 13 was worn by the Dutchman Jan Nolten.
> > >
> > > I wouldn't go anywhere near any of David's auctions unless you
> > are very
> > > knowledgeable about the item up for sale. If you are
> > knowledgeable, you
> > > can often get a deal but otherwise you risk being burned big time.
> > >
> > > Steven Maasland
> > > Moorestown, NJ
> > > USA
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________


> >

>

> George Hollenberg MD

> CT, USA