Re: [CR]CR division at The 508 (was Classic Rendezvous Racing News?)


Example: Framebuilders:Tony Beek
Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2008 18:25:04 -0700 (PDT)
From: "Peter Tutty" <peter_tutty@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [CR]CR division at The 508 (was Classic Rendezvous Racing News?)
To: Derek Willburn <morganx9@yahoo.com>, Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
In-Reply-To: <664957.35804.qm@web32206.mail.mud.yahoo.com>


Derek Willburn asked:

Q: How many manufacturers are making 32 hole deep V carbon rims?

A: Custom drilling.

Q: Why would you want a triple crankset anyway?

A: To compensate for the loss of gear range and spacing that yo'd have with a 20 spd (2x10) gearing system.

Q: Limiting the brakes would be a safety issue.

A: Are you saying On Topic brakes are dangerous? - I often race criteriums on on-topic Campag and have never had a problem.

Q: Tri bars are banned in all mass start general racing rules -at least in USA.

A: They are legal and used in the Furnace Creek 508, see the rules on the website.

Peter Tutty Londonderry NSW, Australia.

Derek Willburn <morganx9@yahoo.com> wrote: I don't see a problem with those rules. 6 cogs, friction shifters and pedals with cages sounds good enough. Leaving the rest is good for imagination. Nothing wrong with "A" headsets on KOF -look at those new Richard Sachs frames. How many manufacturers are making 32 hole deep V carbon rims? Why would you want a triple crankset anyway? Limiting the brakes would be a safety issue. Tri bars are banned in all mass start general racing rules -at least in USA.

Derek Willburn Long Beach, CA USA (I hate cages)

--- Peter Tutty
wrote:


> When I first read about this I thought 'great idea'.

>

> Then I put my former racecar engineer's cap on and

> took a look at the rules:

>

> 'Classic Rendezvous Division Rules:

> - The frame and fork must be lugged steel (but built

> in ANY year, including brand new). Yes, we know that

> aluminum bikes existed before 1983, as well as

> fillet-brazed steel...

> - No more than six cogs on the rear wheel.

> - 32 spokes per wheel minimum.

> - Friction shifting on the down-tube or bar-ends

> (must be true friction shiters; not clickables set

> in friction mode).

> - Toe clips and straps.'

>

> Right so I'm lining up with:

>

> *A lugged stem frame and fork featuring compact

> geometry and a threadless fork/headset.

>

> *Full 2007 spec Dura Ace components modified as

> follows: 10 speed cassette modified by removal of 4

> sprockets and replacement by spacers.

>

> *Brifters replaced by Tektro 200 aero levers and

> friction gear levers.

>

> *Carbon fibre triple crankset to give 18 gears

> covering former 2 x10 range.

>

> *Deep dish carbon aero 'V' rims - 32 bladed spokes

> per wheel of course.

>

> *Tri bars.

>

> *Toeclips and straps.

>

> Fully compliant with the rules? - Yes.

>

> "Classic Rendezvous" - No.

>

> Back to the drawing board re the rules, Chris.

>

> May I suggest that the rules should also specify

> in addition to those posted:

>

> *Threaded steerers and quill type stems

>

> *Brake levers to be non-aero type, brakes to be

> single pivot or centre pull only.

>

> *Carbon fibre and titanium to be banned.

>

> *No more than 2 chainwheels (no triples)

>

> *Rims to have a maximun depth of 19mm (3/4")

>

> *Tri bars banned.

>

> Peter Tutty

>

> Still beating the rules in

>

> Londonderry, NSW, Australia.

>

>

>

>

>

> Bob Hufford wrote:

> bhufford3(AT)mchsi.com (Bob Hufford)wrote:

>

> > Dale -- Did you trademark that name? ;-)

>

> ---------------------- Forwarded Message:

> ---------------------

> From: AdventureCORPS Info

> To: bhufford3@mchsi.com

> Subject: CR division at The 508

> Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 20:45:48 +0000

>

> Hi Bob

>

> Saw your post on the CR list archives. I saw Dale in

> Portland

> recently and he approved the use of the name for

> this division at our

> race, and also promised to prepare a prize of some

> sort for the

> winner. Here's the full press release. Feel free to

> post to the CR

> list. (I've sent this to Dale, too, of course.) I'm

> not currently a

> CR list subscriber, but have have been in the past

> and have also

> attended two Cirques du Cyclisme.

>

> Thanks,

> Chris Kostman

> Oak Park, CA

>

> -----------------------------

>

> For Immediate Release

>

> CLASSIC 508 MILE BICYCLE RACE OFFERS NEW CATEGORY

> FOR CLASSIC, or

> CLASSIC STYLE, BIKES

>

> Death Valley, CA -- Held since 1983 and known as

> "The Toughest 48

> hours in Sport," Furnace Creek 508 is the world's

> premier

> ultramarathon bicycle race. This non-stop 508-mile

> bicycle race is

> revered the world over for its epic mountain climbs,

> stark desert

> scenery, desolate roads, and its reputation as one

> of the toughest

> but most gratifying endurance challenges available,

> bar none. The

> course has a total elevation gain of over 35,000',

> crosses ten

> mountain passes, and stretches from Santa Clarita

> (just north of Los

> Angeles), across the Mojave Desert, through Death

> Valley, to Twenty

> Nine Palms. In 2008, it will be held October 4-6 and

> will celebrate

> the 25th Anniversary of its founding by cycling

> legend John Marino in

> 1983.

>

> Solo, two-person relay, and four-person relay

> divisions are offered

> with over 200 racers expected to compete, comprising

> the largest

> field in the history of the race. Designed as an

> endurance challenge,

> no drafting or pack riding is allowed in any

> division. There is a 48

> hour time limit for the solo division and a 46 hour

> time limit for

> the relay team division.

>

> In honor of its 25th Anniversary, Furnace Creek 508

> will offer the

> Classic Rendezvous Division. The requirements to

> enter this division

> - which will be a sub-category of any Furnace Creek

> 508 division,

> whether solo, tandem, or 2x / 4x relay - will be to

> race on

> technology from 1983 or older. Specifically, this

> means:

>

> - The frame and fork must be lugged steel (but built

> in ANY year,

> including brand new).

> - No more than six cogs on the rear wheel.

> - 32 or more spokes per wheel.

> - Friction shifting on the down-tube, or bar-cons.

> - Toe clips and straps.

>

> Note: the frame and parts don't have to actually be

> 25 or more years

> old; just the technology has to be 1983 or older.

> "Style points" will

> be awarded to those whose entire bike, other than

> the obvious -

> tyres, cables, chain, brake pads, etc - are from

> 1983 or older.

>

> For all the information about Furnace Creek 508,

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