Re: [CR]CR division at The 508 (was Classic Rendezvous Racing News?)

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Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2008 18:25:04 -0700 (PDT)
From: "Peter Tutty" <peter_tutty@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [CR]CR division at The 508 (was Classic Rendezvous Racing News?)
To: Derek Willburn <morganx9@yahoo.com>, Classicrendezvous@bikelist.org
In-Reply-To: <664957.35804.qm@web32206.mail.mud.yahoo.com>


Derek Willburn asked:

Q: How many manufacturers are making 32 hole deep V carbon rims?

A: Custom drilling.

Q: Why would you want a triple crankset anyway?

A: To compensate for the loss of gear range and spacing that yo'd have with a 20 spd (2x10) gearing system.

Q: Limiting the brakes would be a safety issue.

A: Are you saying On Topic brakes are dangerous? - I often race criteriums on on-topic Campag and have never had a problem.

Q: Tri bars are banned in all mass start general racing rules -at least in USA.

A: They are legal and used in the Furnace Creek 508, see the rules on the website.

Peter Tutty Londonderry NSW, Australia.

Derek Willburn <morganx9@yahoo.com> wrote: I don't see a problem with those rules. 6 cogs, friction shifters and pedals with cages sounds good enough. Leaving the rest is good for imagination. Nothing wrong with "A" headsets on KOF -look at those new Richard Sachs frames. How many manufacturers are making 32 hole deep V carbon rims? Why would you want a triple crankset anyway? Limiting the brakes would be a safety issue. Tri bars are banned in all mass start general racing rules -at least in USA.

Derek Willburn Long Beach, CA USA (I hate cages)

--- Peter Tutty wrote:
> When I first read about this I thought 'great idea'.
>
> Then I put my former racecar engineer's cap on and
> took a look at the rules:
>
> 'Classic Rendezvous Division Rules:
> - The frame and fork must be lugged steel (but built
> in ANY year, including brand new). Yes, we know that
> aluminum bikes existed before 1983, as well as
> fillet-brazed steel...
> - No more than six cogs on the rear wheel.
> - 32 spokes per wheel minimum.
> - Friction shifting on the down-tube or bar-ends
> (must be true friction shiters; not clickables set
> in friction mode).
> - Toe clips and straps.'
>
> Right so I'm lining up with:
>
> *A lugged stem frame and fork featuring compact
> geometry and a threadless fork/headset.
>
> *Full 2007 spec Dura Ace components modified as
> follows: 10 speed cassette modified by removal of 4
> sprockets and replacement by spacers.
>
> *Brifters replaced by Tektro 200 aero levers and
> friction gear levers.
>
> *Carbon fibre triple crankset to give 18 gears
> covering former 2 x10 range.
>
> *Deep dish carbon aero 'V' rims - 32 bladed spokes
> per wheel of course.
>
> *Tri bars.
>
> *Toeclips and straps.
>
> Fully compliant with the rules? - Yes.
>
> "Classic Rendezvous" - No.
>
> Back to the drawing board re the rules, Chris.
>
> May I suggest that the rules should also specify
> in addition to those posted:
>
> *Threaded steerers and quill type stems
>
> *Brake levers to be non-aero type, brakes to be
> single pivot or centre pull only.
>
> *Carbon fibre and titanium to be banned.
>
> *No more than 2 chainwheels (no triples)
>
> *Rims to have a maximun depth of 19mm (3/4")
>
> *Tri bars banned.
>
> Peter Tutty
>
> Still beating the rules in
>
> Londonderry, NSW, Australia.
>
>
>
>
>
> Bob Hufford wrote:
> bhufford3(AT)mchsi.com (Bob Hufford)wrote:
>
> > Dale -- Did you trademark that name? ;-)
>
> ---------------------- Forwarded Message:
> ---------------------
> From: AdventureCORPS Info
> To: bhufford3@mchsi.com
> Subject: CR division at The 508
> Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 20:45:48 +0000
>
> Hi Bob
>
> Saw your post on the CR list archives. I saw Dale in
> Portland
> recently and he approved the use of the name for
> this division at our
> race, and also promised to prepare a prize of some
> sort for the
> winner. Here's the full press release. Feel free to
> post to the CR
> list. (I've sent this to Dale, too, of course.) I'm
> not currently a
> CR list subscriber, but have have been in the past
> and have also
> attended two Cirques du Cyclisme.
>
> Thanks,
> Chris Kostman
> Oak Park, CA
>
> -----------------------------
>
> For Immediate Release
>
> CLASSIC 508 MILE BICYCLE RACE OFFERS NEW CATEGORY
> FOR CLASSIC, or
> CLASSIC STYLE, BIKES
>
> Death Valley, CA -- Held since 1983 and known as
> "The Toughest 48
> hours in Sport," Furnace Creek 508 is the world's
> premier
> ultramarathon bicycle race. This non-stop 508-mile
> bicycle race is
> revered the world over for its epic mountain climbs,
> stark desert
> scenery, desolate roads, and its reputation as one
> of the toughest
> but most gratifying endurance challenges available,
> bar none. The
> course has a total elevation gain of over 35,000',
> crosses ten
> mountain passes, and stretches from Santa Clarita
> (just north of Los
> Angeles), across the Mojave Desert, through Death
> Valley, to Twenty
> Nine Palms. In 2008, it will be held October 4-6 and
> will celebrate
> the 25th Anniversary of its founding by cycling
> legend John Marino in
> 1983.
>
> Solo, two-person relay, and four-person relay
> divisions are offered
> with over 200 racers expected to compete, comprising
> the largest
> field in the history of the race. Designed as an
> endurance challenge,
> no drafting or pack riding is allowed in any
> division. There is a 48
> hour time limit for the solo division and a 46 hour
> time limit for
> the relay team division.
>
> In honor of its 25th Anniversary, Furnace Creek 508
> will offer the
> Classic Rendezvous Division. The requirements to
> enter this division
> - which will be a sub-category of any Furnace Creek
> 508 division,
> whether solo, tandem, or 2x / 4x relay - will be to
> race on
> technology from 1983 or older. Specifically, this
> means:
>
> - The frame and fork must be lugged steel (but built
> in ANY year,
> including brand new).
> - No more than six cogs on the rear wheel.
> - 32 or more spokes per wheel.
> - Friction shifting on the down-tube, or bar-cons.
> - Toe clips and straps.
>
> Note: the frame and parts don't have to actually be
> 25 or more years
> old; just the technology has to be 1983 or older.
> "Style points" will
> be awarded to those whose entire bike, other than
> the obvious -
> tyres, cables, chain, brake pads, etc - are from
> 1983 or older.
>
> For all the information about Furnace Creek 508,
> hosted by
> AdventureCORPS, Inc., click here:
>
> http://www.the508.com
> and here:
> http://www.adventurecorps.com
>
> For more information on the Classic Rendezvous
> Division, click here:
>
> http://www.the508.com/divisions/classic.html
>
> This new division is supported and endorsed by
> Classic Rendezvous, a
> website and email group dedicated to celebrating
> classic bicycles and
> history, specifically bicycles with technology from
> 1983 or older.
> More info here:
>
> http://www.classicrendezvous.com/
>
> Contact:
> Chris Kostman,
> Chief Adventure Officer and Race Director
> === message truncated ===

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