Re: [CR] Baylis "Bates Volante" inspired copy?

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From: "Roman Stankus" <rstankus@mindspring.com>
To: <brianbaylis@juno.com>, <rwynw@comcast.net>
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 06:52:00 -0400
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Subject: Re: [CR] Baylis "Bates Volante" inspired copy?


I got a couple sets of Lens lugs from Ray back in 05/06? At that time, Ray said these were the last of existing stock and that Len was not carving lugs any more. Mine were two different patterns - should take some pics and post them some time. One was a Rotrax and the other was an Ephgrave #1 Super - they're stashed away and I haven't looked at them for a good while.

Roman Stankus Atlanta, Georgia USA
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> Subject: Re: [CR] Baylis "Bates Volante" inspired copy?
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> Rob,
>
> Yes, as far as I know they are Len Phipps creations. I have,
> and have ha d quite a number of these sets of various types.
> Like I say, I have a bo x full of blanks. If you know how I
> can contact him I would appreciate k nowing how to get in
> touch with him. If he's interested in working up a few more I
> can provide the raw material.
>
> Brian Baylis
> La Mesa, CA
> USA
>
> ---------- Original Message ----------
> From: "Rob Williams" <rwynw@comcast.net>
> To: <brianbaylis@juno.com>
> Cc: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Subject: Re: [CR] Baylis "Bates Volante" inspired copy?
> Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 18:56:37 -0700
>
> Where these Len Phipps lugs do you think? Is Len still with
> us and filin g?
> Rob Williams
> Sunny and snowy in Seattle
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> From: <brianbaylis@juno.com>
> To: <ktk1_7_0_2_8@yahoo.com>
> Cc: <sterling@tns.net>; <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 5:11 PM
> Subject: Re: [CR] Baylis "Bates Volante" inspired copy?
>
>
> Kevin,
>
> In this case Sterling provided me with the lugs which I
> believe were pur
>
> chased from Martin Coopland or Ray Etherton. The lugs are
> stamped from H
>
> ayden blanks and finished by hand as far as I know. There are
> a number o
>
> f lug patterns that used to be available from England that
> used the same
>
> blank lugs to start with. From what I understand, the lug
> blanks are in
>
> short supply or no longer available. I just happen to have a
> box full o
>
> f the blank lugs that I purchased a while ago. ;-)
>
> I don't know if there were more photos than just the two I
> saw that Ster
>
> ling posted, but there needs to be some closer detail shots
> to see the r
>
> eal effect. I did modify the lugs slightly from the
> stampings, so they a
>
> ren't quite exactly like the ones used on the Bates frames.
> The crown is
>
> a Pacenti IC crown, slightly altered. The Bates you showed
> has round fo
>
> rk blades. Sterling's frame has continental oval road fork blades.
>
> Thanks for the photos of your Bates. That's a nice bike and
> Ron Cooper h
>
> as been one of my favorite British builders since the early 70's.
>
> Brian Baylis
> La Mesa, CA
> San Diego Custom Bicycle Show 2010
>
>
>
> ---------- Original Message ----------
> From: Kevin Kruger <ktk1_7_0_2_8@yahoo.com>
> To: <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>, <sterling@tns.net>
> Subject: [CR] Baylis "Bates Volante" inspired copy?
> Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 12:25:32 -0700
>
> Hi Sterling,
>
> Your Baylis looks very nice! Were you seeking a "Bates" style
> replica , a s your frame looks like a copy of the lugwork on
> my Ron Cooper built "Ba
>
> tes
> Volante" purchased from England.
>
> Here's the address for photos of my contemporary Bates posted
> on Wool Je
>
> rse
> y:
>
> http://www.wooljersey.com/gallery/Kevin-Krugers-Bikes/BATESCOOPER/
>
> Looks like the same lugs, fork crown, and brake bridge
> treatment sans th
>
> e 5
> 31 Cantiflex tubing and Diadrant fork blades.
>
> Regards,
> Kevin Kruger - Grantville, PA
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