Re: [CR] Big frames ride better? Re: Recalling San Gabriel (OT) bikeshop

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From: "Robert D. Dayton,Jr." <>
To: "'Thomas Adams'" <>, <>
Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2011 06:17:32 -0500
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Subject: Re: [CR] Big frames ride better? Re: Recalling San Gabriel (OT) bikeshop

I would need to ask "ride better" in what context? Around the block, 20 mile club ride, 30mph criterium, long road race, long distance randonneuring? About all I could add is that production frames tend to scale up smaller frames and make minor adjustments like changing fork rake. BUT a good custom builder takes many more factors into consideration and will change many aspects of a frames design. One common idea tossed around is the relaxing the seat tube angle to get adequate top tube length and not muck up the front end handling. I'm not XXL but if I was I'd skip standard production bikes and go straight to a custom builder.

Rob Dayton Charlotte,NC USA

-----Original Message----- From: [] On Behalf Of Thomas Adams Sent: Monday, January 24, 2011 1:15 PM To: Subject: [CR] Big frames ride better? Re: Recalling San Gabriel (OT) bikeshop

Dear List:

Like a lot of us, I can ride a reasonable spread of bike sizes, from 60 to 65 cm, and I've owned a fair number of 61 to 62 frames, because the smaller frames are easier to find.  But I do feel, totally subjective I know, that the 63.5 and 64cm frames ride better. 

I would invite comment on whether this is due only to the larger frame putting me into a better riding position (handlebars higher, better position over the pedals, etc etc), or is it due to the longer frame tubes being "springier", and absorbing more shock?  I have ridden some 65cm frames, but they seem to be not so nice riding.  Coincidentally, they all took 27.0 posts, so maybe the difference is the stiffer tubing in the big frames?  I'm sure there's no actual testing of this phenomenon, but are frames in the upper 1/3 of your size range more comfortable?

Tom (Give me a fistful of seatpost) Adams
Manhattan, KS USA

--- On Mon, 1/24/11, paccoastcycles wrote:

From: paccoastcycles <> Subject: Re: [CR] Recalling San Gabriel (OT) bike shop To: "Burl Simon" <>, "Lorin" <> Cc: Date: Monday, January 24, 2011, 12:01 PM

Burl, this is a left turn from your subject but it is something that I've found interesting.

The comment that your Raleigh was smooth and then the revelation that it was too big is interesting.

I once had a guy telling me about his magical bike that he missed so much. It was comfortable, climbed better than any bike before or since and it held a place of importance in his memory.

I should say here that he was looking for a bike and told me what size he wanted. I had told him that I thought he would be a better fit on the next size up.

When I asked him what happened to the magic bike, he told me that he had sold it because it was too big for him. I smiled what I imagined as a knowing smile. It was interesting to see the look of realization develope on his face. He laughed and jokingly accused me of directing the conversation to back him into that corner.

Disclaimer: Bikes can be too big. It's not like I don't know that. However, I see very few on bikes that are too big and a true majority on bikes that are too small.

Chuck Hoefer Pacific Coast Cycles Oceanside, Ca ----- Original Message ----- From: "Burl Simon" <> To: "Lorin" <> Cc: <> Sent: Monday, January 24, 2011 6:14 AM Subject: Re: [CR] Recalling San Gabriel (OT) bike shop

> On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 9:13 AM, Burl Simon <> wrote:
>> my first ride downtown was to philippe's and i was riding a raleigh
>> competition gran sport, a beautiful bike that rode extremely smooth but it
>> was too big and i sold it; i had a french dip and the price of a coffee was
>> the same as when philippe's opened, nine cents i think.
>> burl simon
>> detroit michigan u.s.a.
>> On Sun, Jan 23, 2011 at 6:28 PM, Lorin <> wrote:
>>> JB,
>>> His name was Don Ferguson and he was a member of the 1960's Olympic
>>> Cycling Team (tandem),  Somewhere in my cycling stash I have a brochure of
>>> the Olympic Cycling Team that includes a picture of Don.  I used to live
>>> several blocks away from the shop and spent many hours lusting after the
>>> Swiss bikes in his shop.  I recall purchasing a set of Campy side pulls from
>>> Don when they were first produced for $60.00 (big bucks for me at the time).
>>>  Don would often ride the Tuesday and Thursday night training rides around
>>> the Rose Bowl  with the Pasadena Cycling Club sponsored by John's on
>>> Rosemead Blvd.  John's  was  another haunt where I lusted after a Jack
>>> Taylor curved seat tube model and a Paramount tandem ,
>>> As a small child my father would take my brother and I to Philippe's for a
>>> french dip, a dill pickle,  and a piece of lemon meringue pie.  The sawdust
>>> on the floor was great and we would eat in one of the upper rooms.  I
>>> currently live in Carlsbad Ca however if we are in the LA area we try to eat
>>> at Philippe's (it has not changed in over 100 years)
>>> If your going to Austin next month let me know and we can speak in person.
>>> Regards
>>> Lorin Youde
>>> Carlsbad CA USA