Re: [CR]Campagnolo Advice Needed


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From: "P. Lynn Miller" <lynnmiller@optusnet.com.au>
To: "jerrymoos" <jerrymoos@sbcglobal.net>
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Subject: Re: [CR]Campagnolo Advice Needed
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 08:50:55 +1000
cc: Classic Rendezvous <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>

Jerry,

Thanks for the reply.

I have posted a picture of the crank here - http://www.members.optusnet.com.au/lynnmiller/Photos/cov_eagle_crankset.jpg - as you can see, it is not a particularly good crankset, with a pressed steel chain ring, and no "spider". Here is a poor picture of the bike - http://www.members.optusnet.com.au/lynnmiller/Photos/cov_eagle.jpg - as I bought it. I do not think the bike is top-drawer or even close, but my wife loves it and I must it admit it rides very well.

I was thinking Campy simply because I have no love for Shimano(personal, they make very good stuff). It has 170mm cranks at the moment, if I can find a pair of 167.5mm, I will change them since my wife is around 5' 6".

Thank you

P. Lynn Miller
Sydney, Australia
http://members.optusnet.com.au/lynnmiller/index.html


----- Original Message -----
From: jerrymoos
To: "P. Lynn Miller"


<classicrendezvous@bikelist.org> Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 7:24 AM Subject: Re: [CR]Campagnolo Advice Needed


> That sounds like an old French steel Solida cottered crank, so the BB cups
> "S" is probably Solida also. Is it steel with the arms held on with cotter
> pins? If so, this crank was pretty heavy and not rare or valuable, so it
> would probably be better to replace the crank and BB. With a French crank,
> one is always afraid the BB cups are French threaded, but if it is a
> Coventry Eagle frame, it is almost certainly English BB thread, which is
> essentially the same as modern ISO, so finding a new BB to fit the frame
> should not be a problem. Personally, on an English mixte frame, I'd use a
> TA or Stronglight crank, but a Campy crank and BB will be easy to find if
> you are willing to pay the price. As to crankarm length, 175 is noticeably
> different from 170. Also, unless your wife is quite tall, 175 is probably
> too long for her. Most average sized American women would ride 165 cranks,
> rarely more than 170.
>
> Regards,
>
> Jerry Moos
> Houston, TX
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "P. Lynn Miller" <lynnmiller@optusnet.com.au>
> To: "Classic Rendezvous" <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> Sent: Monday, October 13, 2003 9:09 AM
> Subject: Re: [CR]Campagnolo Advice Needed
>
>
> > Jerry,
> >
> > I do not know kind of crank it is, but here are the markings on it. On the
> > crank arms, outside - SOLIDA, inside - D6 21 Made in France, on the
> > chainring - Made in France, the BB caps - a capital S, Made in France. So
> I
> > am going to assume it is Simplex. There looks to be provision for an
> inside,
> > smaller chainring, but finding one could be a trick. I do not have a
> problem
> > changing the whole bottom bracket, if I need to.
> >
> > This is the first time I am going to attempt a complete rebuild, so I
> > appreciate any advice given. I have decided to stay with a 5 speed
> > freewheel, that should make our choices a bit easier.
> >
> > P. Lynn Miller
> > http://members.optusnet.com.au/lynnmiller/index.html
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "jerrymoos" <jerrymoos@sbcglobal.net>
> > To: "P. Lynn Miller" <lynnmiller@optusnet.com.au>; "Classic Rendezvous"
> > <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> > Sent: Monday, October 13, 2003 11:54 PM
> > Subject: Re: [CR]Campagnolo Advice Needed
> >
> >
> > > You can't usually fit a 6-speed FW in 120 rear spacing, but SunTour in
> the
> > > early 80's made "Ultra-6" narrow spaced FW's that would fit 6 cogs in
> > 120mm
> > > rear spacing. A few others copied the idea. If you don't go bigger
> than
> > 26
> > > or 28T tops on the large rear cog, you can use the Campy Nuovo Sport
> > > derailleurs. You can certainly buy a Campy Nuovo Record or Super Record
> > > crankset, but these are expensive. You can buy Campy Grand Sport,
> > Victory,
> > > or Triomphe cranks cheaper, but the Victory, Triomphe and some versions
> of
> > > Grand Sport used unique sized chanirings which are now difficult to find
> > in
> > > all the sizes you might want. A modern Campy Mirage is relatively
> > > inexpensive and chainrings are easily available. It is possible you
> could
> > > add another chainring to the crank on the bike. What kind of crank is
> it?
> > > Note that if you change to a different crankset, and possibly even if
> you
> > > just add a chainring, you will probably need to change the baootom
> bracket
> > > axle or perhaps the whole botom bracket.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > > Jerry Moos
> > > Houston, TX
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "P. Lynn Miller" <lynnmiller@optusnet.com.au>
> > > To: "Classic Rendezvous" <classicrendezvous@bikelist.org>
> > > Sent: Monday, October 13, 2003 8:14 AM
> > > Subject: [CR]Campagnolo Advice Needed
> > >
> > >
> > > Good day,
> > >
> > > I am in the process of reworking my wife's mixte, which is a Coventry
> > Eagle,
> > > a very nice light lugged steel frame made from Tubi Oria Cro-Moly. It
> > > currently is a five speed using mostly Simplex parts in the drive train,
> > > Maillard? hubs with no name 700C rims, and Wienmann brake levers and
> side
> > > pulls. I am not sure what year it is, but it is a very nice looking and
> > > handling bike.
> > >
> > > I want to add a chain ring or change the crank set to have 2 chain rings
> > up
> > > front. It has 120mm spacing on the rear, so I am not sure what the
> maximum
> > > amount of cogs I can get in that space. I want to use all Campagnolo
> > parts,
> > > does not need to be from the same vintage as the frame or even all need
> to
> > > be a certain group. This choice is the result of me picking a bike up
> > along
> > > side the road with Campagnolo parts. The frame is too large for anyone
> in
> > my
> > > household but it does have Campagnolo Gran Touring Novou front and rear
> > > derailleurs with down tube shifters.
> > >
> > > So can anyone tell what groups or vintages to look for that would allow
> me
> > > to build a high quality yet economical bike for her. There seems to be a
> > > huge array of groups, names and vintages out there. I planning to
> replace
> > > the parts in this order -
> > >
> > > Drivetrain - I have the front and rear derailleur and shifters, need to
> > find
> > > the crankset and freewheel. Can I fit a 6 speed in 120mm?
> > >
> > > Hubs and rims - Need to source all parts. Since this is mostly a touring
> > > bike, what the best spoke count? Front & rear?
> > >
> > > Brakes - Levers and callipers - need to source all parts
> > >
> > > Also how difference is there practically between 170mm cranks and say
> > 175mm?
> > >
> > > Thank you for your time
> > >
> > > P. Lynn Miller
> > > http://members.optusnet.com.au/lynnmiller/index.html